So much for my attempts at humour
*sigh*
I'll go back to making jam.
( chickenlady b3ta's very own Elizabeth Taylor, Fri 12 Aug 2011, 14:30, 1 reply)

I liked it, I thought it was funny.
I like the mental image of two chastened lads, admitting to looking for Big Tits.

But the whole "Women in pr0n are all junkies and don't want to be there, pr0n is exclusively male, pr0n is only ever men exploiting vulnerable women" thing is absolute nonsense, and I get kind of fed up with it, as I was brought up on a similar diet of 1980s being a male is wrong attitude. It can be really quite destructive - actually some girls actually WANT to have and ENJOY having sex, and to portray them as otherwise is wrong.

The top earners in pr0n are women. It's the one industry where that's the case.

/opinionslol
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Fri 12 Aug 2011, 14:34, closed)

I want to have sex.
*puts up hand*

Although the only reason the women are the top earners is because the male viewers don't care who's fucking them, they're there to watch the women.
( girlinthehole, Fri 12 Aug 2011, 14:37, closed)

*puts up hand*?
Thats just showing off

now clap!
(the_icks has the sweet essence of giraffe, Fri 12 Aug 2011, 15:18, closed)

I agree entirely and the actual conversation did include some of that
and 'perhaps' wasn't quite as strident as my story makes out...artistic license.
That said, I did push the point that these are real people and not just objects and relationships are with people and not screens.
( chickenlady b3ta's very own Elizabeth Taylor, Fri 12 Aug 2011, 14:38, closed)

You see, you should really lie to children about sex - it's a lot more fun.
Try telling them that men can get pregnant and that the babies come out of their bum. Ace fun.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Fri 12 Aug 2011, 14:41, closed)

Of course girls want to have and enjoy sex
Porn is a completely different matter innit.

I read Jenna Jameson's autobiography (I can't really explain that one beyond prurient curiosity and a hangover) - she points out that 97% of female adult actresses were abused as children (including her.) 97%.

But yeah, they all totally love it.
(jennymnemonic, Fri 12 Aug 2011, 15:00, closed)

I deliberately did not use the word "all".
The 97% stat is entirely spurious without back-up, and doesn't take into account the increasing amounts of home-made pr0n.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Fri 12 Aug 2011, 15:41, closed)

So what percentage do then?

( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Fri 12 Aug 2011, 15:42, closed)

I've no idea.
But I do know that many girls - certainly the ones around me - want to have sex, and also enjoy sex, and that some get off on showing themselves off.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Fri 12 Aug 2011, 15:44, closed)

I don't think anyone is denying that
the denial comes from the idea that those women are the ones making porn. It might be nicer and simpler to say 'of course they enjoy it, and are doing it in a sexually liberated fashion, being paid a decent wage, treated like human beings, and are DEFINITELY not trafficked into it or abused or raped at any stage' because it prevents any need to think about it or question it. Some of them are obviously. A lot of them aren't. I don't think you can very easily tell the difference.

Bugger. Way too serious for the internet
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Fri 12 Aug 2011, 15:47, closed)

Yes - I've already personally apologised to chickenlady for being a humourless twat about it all.
Have a good Friday - I'm off to try and get my Mrs drunk.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Fri 12 Aug 2011, 16:00, closed)

Some of the most horrifying porn I've ever seen
has been some stuff where the women's expressions are empty. Where their mouths are smiling but their eyes are vacant. Or where their mouths are smiling, but their eyes have that glint of horror, as if one last vestige of the soul is crying out for rescue.

I've seen some pretty eye-watering stuff, a lot of which didn't turn me on, but the stuff which has actually made me question the legitimacy of the porn business is the stuff where the women honestly look like they're hating everything they're doing.

Nothing wrong with filming people fucking, but for God's sake leave it to those who genuinely enjoy it.
( flake has nothing against your right leg, Fri 12 Aug 2011, 16:49, closed)

Well said!

( Tourette's ( . )( . ) has a monkey hair in her fried egg, Tue 16 Aug 2011, 2:06, closed)

Uhuh. But why support an industry that is exploitative and abusive
just because a few women are having a good time?
( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Fri 12 Aug 2011, 16:30, closed)

Good point.
Down with the 24/7 IT support business.
( flake has nothing against your right leg, Fri 12 Aug 2011, 16:44, closed)

*ponders*
*quits job in academia*
( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Fri 12 Aug 2011, 16:47, closed)

Bobbi Starr has an interesting take on it.
Starr considers herself a pro-sex feminist. Even though she acknowledges that some feminists consider pornography to be degrading to women, Starr asserts, "I don't feel degraded because it is my decision. I know that if I did ever feel degraded or feel uncomfortable, all I need to do is say no and it would stop. I don't think something where women have so much control in the situation can be considered degrading towards women.

Taken from Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobbi_Starr
( The Resident Loon Not a demographic. Do not measure., Fri 12 Aug 2011, 22:54, closed)

Isn't it nice that she has control?
Point still stands: just because some women have control doesn't make it any less exploitative and abusive for the women who don't.

I would also describe myself as a pro-sex feminist. However, I'm a pro-sex feminist who doesn't like seeing people being mistreated.
( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Mon 15 Aug 2011, 11:29, closed)

Good point
I shall boycott Primark forthwith
( emvee cruor deo cruoris, Mon 15 Aug 2011, 15:56, closed)