Oh, for the love of christ
why can't any of these fucktards do energy balances?

I swear, I'm going to stop doing actual proper research and just sell some half-baked ecowoo horseshit and make my fortune.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 14 Mar 2012, 10:59, 1 reply, 12 years ago)

Which bit are you angry about?
also: stop stealing my buisness model!
(PsychoChomp, Wed 14 Mar 2012, 11:00, Reply)

erm, they are making a gas. to burn. for energy.
by vapourising stuff at 850C then hitting it with a plasma arc.

Obviously, this will create a green fuel because, as is well known, vapourisers operating at 830 degrees above ambient and plasma arcs definitely run only on the tears of shrews and will in no way require ten times as much fossil fuel energy as could ever be made as "refuse gas"

fucking hell, it's nearly as retarded as touting hydrogen as an eco fuel.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 14 Mar 2012, 11:04, Reply)

I'm putting all my money on Argon

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 14 Mar 2012, 11:07, Reply)

it doesn't burn very well though.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 14 Mar 2012, 11:07, Reply)

fuck green energy, mother nature is a bitch.
everytime I turn the heater on I think "this one is for Japan, you fucking cow."
( mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Wed 14 Mar 2012, 11:08, Reply)

Mother nature can hum on my hairy balls

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 14 Mar 2012, 11:14, Reply)

she can gargle on my fossil fuel.

( mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Wed 14 Mar 2012, 11:15, Reply)

You can still get energy out though,
from what I can tell it just breaks down the carbon chains to shorter molecules that burn easier and with less crap. Divert enough of the energy back to get it self sustaining and you'll get some gas/electricity that can go somewhere else.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 14 Mar 2012, 11:16, Reply)

You'll have to keep it running all the time though.

(PsychoChomp, Wed 14 Mar 2012, 11:16, Reply)

They'll find an alternative to fossil fuels one day
we might as well enjoy them while we can
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 14 Mar 2012, 11:18, Reply)

This is basically fossil fuels, but instead of waiting for the geology to change the state they're
doing it with an industrial process.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 14 Mar 2012, 11:21, Reply)

which uses more energy that then can possiby produce.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 14 Mar 2012, 11:35, Reply)

you can't possibly make that process self-sustaining.
from an energy point of view. the only way to do it and "make" energy is biologically.

"Divert enough of the energy back to get it self sustaining" - you're talking the equivalent of a perpetual motion machine. Only one that actually makes motion out of nothing.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 14 Mar 2012, 11:33, Reply)

I know where you're coming from
but it's not perpetual motion because there's a whole shitload of feeder fuel coming in.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 14 Mar 2012, 11:55, Reply)

what they are doing is catalytic hydrocarbon cracking by another name
it's energy negative. always has been and always will be.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 14 Mar 2012, 12:15, Reply)