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This is a link post From Advocate to Adversary
Speech given at the recent Bristol Woman's Place event.

If you thought the #Genderquake debate was shouty, antagonistic and pointless, here is a calm, reasoned yet devastating analysis of what's wrong with some of the trans agenda.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Thu 10 May 2018, 13:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post Thank you for posting this
The 'transgender debate' is really quite alarming right now, with the rights and indeed safety of women and girls in the UK being in danger.

I really don't care what gender people identify as; it has no impact on my life whatsoever. But I do care if some bloke with malicious intent is able to share a changing room with my wife or teenage daughter, because he told the staff he identified as a woman.
 (I helped save b3ta! fozberry, Thu 10 May 2018, 13:55, , Reply)
This is a normal post reasonably sure
that blokes with malicious intent are currently able to get into changing rooms
 (driverchris, Thu 10 May 2018, 14:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post You're an idiot.

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 10 May 2018, 15:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post Don't change the subject.

(I helped save b3ta! Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Thu 10 May 2018, 15:14, , Reply)
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First, trans people have been using the facilities that they want to since forever. This whole worrying-about-trans-people is really only a recent phenomenon (unsurprisingly, it's mainly because anti-gay campaigners have shifted their target since equal marriage).

Second, blokes with malicious intent are already able to share a changing room with you or your son. And without having to drag up either.

Finally, let's say we want make a rule that you have to use the facilities that match your birth gender. So now, you'll have big burly beardy guys (the likes of Buck Angel or this dude below) having to use the Ladies', for example



So you'd make it even easier for a malicious man to get into the toilet because he wouldn't even have to drag up, thus making the entire premise behind it completely useless.

And then conversely there'll be the trans women forced to use the Gents. Do you really think those women are going to be safe doing that?
 (I helped save b3ta! admiral crunch holds the newsreader's nose squarely, Thu 10 May 2018, 14:25, , Reply)
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I couldn't give a toss about bathrooms, and nor does the person whose speech I've linked to above.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Thu 10 May 2018, 14:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post That's nice
but I was talking to foz
 (I helped save b3ta! admiral crunch holds the newsreader's nose squarely, Thu 10 May 2018, 14:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post Soz meant the post above yours

(I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Thu 10 May 2018, 15:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post What about a women with malicious intent?
And what do you do about protecting young boys from gay men in the male changing rooms? Or are Transexuals particularly bothersome and deviant in your world?
 (Huw Edwards #notalljews, Thu 10 May 2018, 14:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post basically you're saying to biological women who should go in their bogs and any fears they may have are unfounded
At that point the whole concept of segregation breaks down
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 10 May 2018, 15:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post What *is* the concept of segregation?

(Huw Edwards #notalljews, Thu 10 May 2018, 15:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post I've been thinking about this.
For some reason, we separate people with willies and fannies when they're changing or abluting. Is it so hard just to have cubicles for everyone?
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Thu 10 May 2018, 15:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'd love to have cubicles for all.
I hate having to piss elbow-to-elbow in a trough.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Thu 10 May 2018, 15:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post we should go the other way and have long benches we hang our arses over and have a good natter with our neighbour while we curl one out
just like the good old romans did
 (theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Thu 10 May 2018, 15:29, , Reply)
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You are John Prescott AICMFP
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Thu 10 May 2018, 15:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post these are good points
clearly we need to eliminate either
a) changing rooms
or
b) people

I'm agnostic as I don't like either.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Thu 10 May 2018, 18:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post We could eliminate clothes.
Then it would stop everyone having to change gender everytime they wanted to sneak a peak at a winky or front bottom.

If only the internet could provide some kind of solution to our voyeuristic kinks.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Thu 10 May 2018, 22:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post I feel sorry for the people with gender dysphoria.
Having all the attention seeking/sex offender/activist types jumping on the bandwagon.
 (I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Thu 10 May 2018, 14:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post ^ SO MUCH THIS
There is a small number of trans people saying "I know I'm not really a woman / man, I don't want anything more than people to be polite to me" - and they always seem* to be the people who have gone the whole hog with gender reassignment surgery.


* Haven't checked them all out yet
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Thu 10 May 2018, 14:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post Another thing is the rate of intersex births is unlikely to change much.
Surgeons would make a judgement as to what parts to keep, without genetic testing.

The people I met just wanted to get on with their lives without being harassed.
 (I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Thu 10 May 2018, 14:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post "Surgeons would make a judgement as to what parts to keep"
are you fucking kidding me.
 (I helped save b3ta! A Rory Borealis here under duress, Fri 11 May 2018, 12:26, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think is the point.
I also feel sorry for the women (real, actual women) who are now shouted down by, and increasingly in the Labour Party, represented by "trans" women who are often in their late teens or early twenties.

Edit: subject line is missing a 'this'.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 10 May 2018, 15:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'll bet they're not going through the Benjamin protocol on the way to surgery.
It's a popular way of being 'radical' at the moment.
 (I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Thu 10 May 2018, 19:59, , Reply)
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Oohh, can't believe I'd never heard of Benjamin Protocols, thanks man.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Fri 11 May 2018, 1:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post I dont reckon society can cope with the level of complexity required to accommodate all their demands
No emancipated minority in history has wanted anything like it. It's almost above and beyond equality
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 10 May 2018, 14:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post ahhhh
I remember people saying that about the gays 20 years ago. Times move on, oh Vaselined one.
 (I helped save b3ta! admiral crunch holds the newsreader's nose squarely, Thu 10 May 2018, 14:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post they wanted society to change in much more achievable ways
To be respected as their own group not to be recognised as part of a pre-existing one regardless of the feelings of the current membership
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 10 May 2018, 14:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'll just leave this here...
www.autostraddle.com/how-to-have-trans-woman-lesbian-sex-with-a-penis-414839/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Thu 10 May 2018, 15:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post My local pub has mixed toilets.
It's a complete non-issue. No urinals, just cubicles.
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Thu 10 May 2018, 17:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post What?! You can hear the ladies fart and plop?
How terribly frightful!
 (Huw Edwards #notalljews, Thu 10 May 2018, 17:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post everyone just declares themselves a bloke for the duration of their ablution
there's nothing more blokey than farting and plopping, after all - works a treat. maybe we should all just revert to being toddlers, times were much simpler back then when we were all just tiny drunk people.
edit: i just hope that when all of this is resolved that we can finally put to bed the seat up/seat down argument. just agree that everyone has to put down both the seat and the lid when done.
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Thu 10 May 2018, 18:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post I can't see why anyone would ever leave the lid up on a toilet.
If you're as clumsy as me, an open bowl of water with a pipe to the sewer is an accident waiting to happen.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Thu 10 May 2018, 18:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post before i became familiar with this concecpt
i once stumbled into a bathroom half awake with out turning the light on and let loose expecting to hear the sweet sound of water hitting water and instead experiencing splashed shins and much mopping up
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Thu 10 May 2018, 19:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post Could have been worse.
You might have left a lumper on top of the lid.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Thu 10 May 2018, 19:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post I have also done this
Opening your eyes is such a hassle
 (I helped save b3ta! The_cold_stare Coming here only when very, very bored, Thu 10 May 2018, 19:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post A pub is not the same as, say, a swimming pool with kiddies. I remember thinking how progressive and sensible swimming pools in Germany were for having non segregated changing areas. That's not going so well these days. Still, its only been a few rapes.

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 10 May 2018, 19:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post Swimming pool we take our 9 month daughter to has mixed family changing rooms.
I think it would be very hard to rape someone there without attracting attention.

I certainly haven't bummed anyone. Yet.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Thu 10 May 2018, 19:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post Do a little googling on the subject. It's sadly being largely ignored by the mainstream so unfortunately the fanatics of Breitbart are the main English language source. Trannies or no, it's a depressing reminder why sex segregation is still necessary.

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 10 May 2018, 20:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post you probably mean the miramar pool in Weinheim?
Hello. I speak German and have The Google. Let me help.

Can't believe I had to read through this shit... There were something like 8 cases in a year, at the same pool.

I think you mean this - https://www.rnz.de/nachrichten/metropolregion_artikel,-sexuelle-belaestigungen-im-miramar-weinheim-angefasst-begrapscht-gebissen-_arid,344993.html

"Das Bad überwache den Eingang, die Kasse, die Gänge zu den Umkleiden sowie die Rutschen mit Kameras. Im Bade- und Saunabereich sei dies nicht zulässig."

"They monitor the entrance, cashier, entrances to changing areas and slides with cameras. This isn't allowed in the pool/sauna area"

Now, to me that sounds like an issue with the security rather than something to do with the changing rooms (otherwise surely it wouldn't be just this one pool?). Indeed of the cases reported, I don't see any mention of changing rooms, but things happened in communal pool/sauna areas.

And definitely zero mentions of trans people (or "trannies" as you will fucking insist on calling them despite being asked nicely before, you fucking cunt. Seriously. It's like a gay person being called "faggot" and it's fucking rude).
 (I helped save b3ta! admiral crunch holds the newsreader's nose squarely, Thu 10 May 2018, 20:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yes mate. Just a problem with security. Nothing to see here. Move along.
It's not just one fucking pool, moron.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 10 May 2018, 21:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post can you give examples of others?
it's difficult to find any other stories, even searching in German. And I blocked breitbart ages ago.
 (I helped save b3ta! admiral crunch holds the newsreader's nose squarely, Thu 10 May 2018, 21:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post I can't imagine why anyone would voluntarily use the blokes toilet if they didn't have to.
The stench, piss on the seats, piss on the floor... piss everywhere.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Thu 10 May 2018, 19:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post It sounds like the new moral panic to me.
I can't recall a single news story about a trans person sexually assaulting anyone, much less a minor.

Doubtless it happens, but not to the extent that people should be getting in such a fettle over it.
 (I helped save b3ta! jonbob loves you, Thu 10 May 2018, 23:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post Bet they're different and unfamiliar, innit?
Up to no good, just like them Persian lot!
 (Huw Edwards #notalljews, Fri 11 May 2018, 7:04, , Reply)