Gonz,
people are genuinely stupid. I used to be a travelling relief manager for Fullers, going in to failing pubs and holding them (basically, keeping the doors open, and the beer flowing) until they could find a new permanent manager. 90% of these pubs were ruined by people who had made a bit of money and decided they would get a pub lease as "a retirement project" a nice little village pub for them. They failed to realise that running a pub for yourself is actual work.
it's not just Life Losers who have no grasp of how much work goes in to stuff.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:34, 2 replies, latest was 12 years ago)

When I worked in a pub, the people that ran it were complete fucking idiots
the stupid thing was, the pub was raking in money, every night we would be full of people eating and drinking, weekends were crazy busy from open until close, and the owners did all the chefing and they knew what they were doing there, but they must have been on the worst contract because they were hardly making any money at all, despite all the time and energy they were putting into it. Silly really.
(Bazongaloid, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:41, Reply)

customers don't automatically equal profit.

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:45, Reply)

True
but all the staff were on minimum wage, the food was relatively pricey, as was the booze. If they couldn't make it turn a profit then it jsut proves my "idiot" theory even more.
(Bazongaloid, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:48, Reply)

totally,
this seems to be the problem in the places i used to go in to. They'd have the sales, but had absolutely no idea how to turn it in to profit. They'd be paying too much for stock, or there would be massive wastage, or lack of knowledge about pricing dishes for a good GP, too many staff on when it's quiet, energy bills. All sorts of stuff. or the staff are on the rob. or the manager is on the rob to avoid having to pay to the pub company.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:52, Reply)

Yup, totally.
I think the worst ones are those who won't tell me the idea incase I steal it. I normally just say "Ok, then, never mind" and they act disgruntled when I don't insist they tell me. Or if I say "Draw up an NDA then", then they say they can't afford the solicitor's fees.

I don't get how someone can geninunly believe they've got an idea that'll make them rich beyond millions, but won't even put £100 in a solicitor's pocket to protect this idea. Yet normally they'd still buy loto tickets.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:43, Reply)

I'll send you one of my NDAs
just change the names of the parties. They won't even need £100 then.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:45, Reply)

That makes sense.
I may be a bit naive here but in terms of a NDA, what's the difference between a solicitor drawn up one and just a piece of paper signed by both people saying "I won't disclose information I was told on X date by X person"
(PsychoChomp, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 11:00, Reply)

About £100

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 11:03, Reply)

tangles has it right on the head, here.
/specifically, you probably need it to say certain things about foreground and background knowledge really, but I've signed one before with a Norwegian company that is only 3 lines long and says "I won't tell if you don't" or words to that effect. So that will do.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 11:08, Reply)

I don't know a lot about web design,
but i'm guessing if you want to have someone make you a website, you sort of need to tell them what the website is for?
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:46, Reply)

Yup, its pretty key.
And a proper website, at the sort of level I'm at, requires a whole team, it needs all of the following, which are full time careers in their own.... the first one in each line is the main job, and the ones next to them are sub jobs of them that sometimes are taken care of the main person.

- Designer / Front End Developer / UI Expert / UX Expert
- Back End Developer / Database Engineer / Server Achectect
- Copy Writer / Content Editor / SEO Specalist / Social Media Specalist.
- Project Manager / Client Manager.

Plus once you've got a site, you kindda gotta keep it running.

The most disheartening thing about my job is when I do something stunningly amazing and the client won't put content in 'cus they can't be fucked/are too busy.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:53, Reply)

although,
i've heard, if you punch the monitor hard enough when you're looking at a website, the person who owns the domain name falls out of their chair.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:59, Reply)