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# I'll just stick this in and try and stop the wagon...
(I helped save b3ta! Ninj, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:07, archived)
# No Glitter, no Yorke, all the woo
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:08, archived)
# What film?
Yesterday:


Today:
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:43, archived)
# heh!
that dun made I smile.
(I helped save b3ta! RiffRaff lurking like a lurky thing, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:10, archived)
# Boo!
(I helped save b3ta! bilbobarneybobs I'll be 14 in b3ta years soon., Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:14, archived)
# *delayed reaction*

noon freebs! how's things? I'm getting a new dining table and a trolley jack this evening. Life doesn't get much more exciting than that.
(I helped save b3ta! RiffRaff lurking like a lurky thing, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:17, archived)
# pfft :D
but shouldn't there be a frame above this, with the proper poster saying "CASINO ROYALE"

then this below accompanied by "CASINO ROYLE"

It is apparently a requirement these days.
(I helped save b3ta! drbroon abloooobloobloo, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:10, archived)
# hahahah...
sorry for the TJ but anyone see this?: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7612152.stm
I'm getting quite angry at this. Creationism is NOT a science, but a belief FFS
(I helped save b3ta! theoriginalsteve <this space intentionally left blank>, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:12, archived)
# what if you believe it's a science?
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:13, archived)
# you're quite right though
teaching children something as blatantly wrong as creationism because it's an alternative is intentionally making them stupider.
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:14, archived)
# absent-mindedly producing shame on the national trust
(I helped save b3ta! bilbobarneybobs I'll be 14 in b3ta years soon., Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:15, archived)
# I'm trying to understand what you mean
... but I haven't eaten anything yet today -- not a single thing... and I've had a double macciatto - I feel like I'm having a heart attack!
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:19, archived)
# it would still be just a belief.... :D
(I helped save b3ta! theoriginalsteve <this space intentionally left blank>, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:15, archived)
# I'd be happy to accept children being taught
'some idiots think the entire Universe was created in 6 days... pity them and try to understand them if you can... '
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:17, archived)
# that would do! TBH it should remain in religious studies (if the school has RE lessons), and if not, not taught at all.
otherwise, science teachers should tell kids "for homework tonight, go home and read Frank Herbert's Dune".

It's probably more interesting and contains 23.8% more fact.
(I helped save b3ta! theoriginalsteve <this space intentionally left blank>, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:20, archived)
# I'm trying to convince RE teachers to teach quantum mechanics.
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:21, archived)
# this^
this this this until my throat is sore... if Science lessons should be made to include the vanishingly unlikely possibility that the universe was created AS IT IS NOW in 6 days, then RE lessons should include reference to the large groups of people who are happy to have no faith!
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:22, archived)
# hahhahaha!
"But sir, why is the atomic weight of cobalt 58.933195?"
"Because, Timmy, God made it that way and you mustn't question his glory, so shut the fuck up"
(I helped save b3ta! theoriginalsteve <this space intentionally left blank>, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:23, archived)
# 'but sir
how can something be a wave and a particle at the same time?'
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:24, archived)
# I suppose God moves in mysterious ways is the same as spooky action at a distance?
:D
(I helped save b3ta! theoriginalsteve <this space intentionally left blank>, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:28, archived)
# Bohmian Mechanics for the win.
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:29, archived)
# you're right of course
although there is the risk which goes hand in hand with science which is that it's a bunch of stuff which seems to back each other up and make sense... until it's proved wrong - I personally think it would be hard to make a rational argument against evolution (ever) but - still - a well founded and rational belief is still a belief and Scientists have been wrong in the past.
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:22, archived)
# I can see that side of it, yes, science can be wrong (and surprisingly often)
But it is based in fact and reason - theories are updated when new fact is happened upon, religion isn't, it just makes excuses...
(I helped save b3ta! theoriginalsteve <this space intentionally left blank>, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:27, archived)
# Some religions do occasionally update their views.
For example, the Catholic church admitted its mistake about the Earth being at the centre of the solar system, and admitted that evolution is probably correct.
It just takes a shit lot of evidence for them to do it.
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:36, archived)
# Most Christians don't believe in it anyway, for goodness' sake.
If a handful of fundamentalists is all it takes to change things like this, I demand we start calling for them to teach skinning up in art class.

Creationism, in my mind, should be kept for religious education lessons, which I still see as important.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:15, archived)
# Ah, that counted as extra-curricular studies at college.
(I helped save b3ta! theoriginalsteve <this space intentionally left blank>, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:17, archived)
# For fuck sake!
Science beats religion hands down. You can't teach religion in a fucking science lesson. Leave it to the bible bashers in Sunday school.

Next the kids will be taught extremuslimfundamentalism "because it's another view to be explored".

"Banging on about evolution" what a prick!
(I helped save b3ta! JimmerUK Everyone's Favourite Jim, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:17, archived)
# I believe all religions should be taught equally
and presented truthfully as a belief system. At least then kids would have all the facts without all this secret bias and childish, ill-informed arguing.
(I helped save b3ta! Jessie © needs pirate name suggestions, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:20, archived)
# "once people believed that old unmarried women/spinsters must be witches
...some people still believe in witches. Here are the facts that led to those beliefs, here is what we've learned since"

Draw your own conclusions.
(I helped save b3ta! Jessie © needs pirate name suggestions, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:22, archived)
# You speak so much bloody sense it makes my eyes water.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:23, archived)
# :) I try
(I helped save b3ta! Jessie © needs pirate name suggestions, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:25, archived)
# sensible
but utopian :D
(I helped save b3ta! drbroon abloooobloobloo, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:27, archived)
# Is 'utopian' really a criticism?
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:28, archived)
# ok
'naive' then.
(I helped save b3ta! drbroon abloooobloobloo, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:30, archived)
# Hahah, that's also fair comment in theory
...but in this particular case it was the former not the latter, you don't know me but you'll just have to take my word for it that I'm far from naive :)
(I helped save b3ta! Jessie © needs pirate name suggestions, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:32, archived)
# Isn't Naive a town in Brittany?
(I helped save b3ta! Dixipoos Bye Bye Blackbird, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:34, archived)
# HEY! she's been doing her kegels again recently
That's unfair
(I helped save b3ta! Jessie © needs pirate name suggestions, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:36, archived)
# Exactly.
But you hope your next gas bill will be reasonable, you dream about winning the lottery!
(I helped save b3ta! Jessie © needs pirate name suggestions, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:31, archived)
# yes...
but people with influence are rarely even-handed. Everyone has their preconceptions, biases and opinions and people with power tend to push their own beliefs.
(I helped save b3ta! drbroon abloooobloobloo, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:25, archived)
# Religion should not be taught in schools.
Religion is about finding yourself, and discovering your own path.
(I helped save b3ta! JimmerUK Everyone's Favourite Jim, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:25, archived)
# Of course other people's beliefs should be explained in schools.
Not to try and force students into them, but to show them the facts about how others live their lives.
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:27, archived)
# I think religion should be taught in schools
as for most kids it's the one informed insight into other religions that they get. To deprive them of that education is pretty much (in my opinion) like giving them a BNP membership at birth.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:27, archived)
# That's not strictly true.
I would say racists inherit their attitudes from their parents and other influential people in their lives. If the parents are racist it's more likely the kids are going to be racist anyway regardless of whether they're taught about other religions in schools.
(I helped save b3ta! JimmerUK Everyone's Favourite Jim, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:31, archived)
# That is then assuming that children do not have the capacity to learn and form their own opinions of the world
If they know nothing else than their racist home teachings, then they are lost.
(I helped save b3ta! Dixipoos Bye Bye Blackbird, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:32, archived)
# Let's put it another way
Religious education isn't a recruiting ground, it seeks to explain other religions to children in an easily digested format (well, mine was) - why are you so against it? Don't you want children to be informed?
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:33, archived)
#
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(I helped save b3ta! JimmerUK Everyone's Favourite Jim, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:39, archived)
# Where else would you be in a setting to learn?
It's not just about finding yourself, it's about understanding a massive influence in our world.

Also- you can only choose from the options you know you have.
(I helped save b3ta! Jessie © needs pirate name suggestions, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:28, archived)
# Ok, I appreciate that.
I was going off on the tangent that science teachers are going to be saying "well kids that's evolution...another opinion is that a god may have made all of this stuff." Which is bollocks.

I'm not really against making kids aware of other faiths and beliefs.
(I helped save b3ta! JimmerUK Everyone's Favourite Jim, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:36, archived)
# I'm actually an athiest
and I consider organised religion to be responsible for a great many evils in our history, and it's far from over.

I just want people to actually be informed, and stop hating what they don't understand, and maybe actually let people make up their mind what they believe without really knowing what they're choosing.
I'm against indoctrination and I don't think a true god (God) would actually object to his people knowing all the facts.

That said, I'm bowing out, this discussion is not one with a conclusion we can all agree on ;)
(I helped save b3ta! Jessie © needs pirate name suggestions, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:45, archived)
# No that's fine, I think we're pretty much on the same page
It was just "I believe all religions should be taught equally and presented truthfully as a belief system" that threw me, I thought you meant that religions should be taught as opposed to kids being taught about them.

Too deep for a Friday afternoon :)
(I helped save b3ta! JimmerUK Everyone's Favourite Jim, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:49, archived)
# No need to start insulting people.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:22, archived)
# poobrain
(I helped save b3ta! drbroon abloooobloobloo, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:27, archived)
# dickears.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:28, archived)
# ^
(I helped save b3ta! Ttssattsr, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:25, archived)
[challenge entry] Thom York mask?
Just cut eye holes


Click for bigger (208KB)
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:15, archived)
# Fuck that's big!
Hehe
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:16, archived)
# done
(I helped save b3ta! drbroon abloooobloobloo, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:17, archived)
# hahaha oh you fucker
(I helped save b3ta! Dixipoos Bye Bye Blackbird, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:18, archived)
# Hahaha
*smiles*
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:18, archived)
# I can't stop seeing it as Jamie Theakston though
(I helped save b3ta! drbroon abloooobloobloo, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:21, archived)
# Hmm
Yeah, I see what you mean!
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:55, archived)
# BRILLIANT!!
(I helped save b3ta! Dixipoos Bye Bye Blackbird, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:18, archived)
# Haven't you already done this?
I'm sure I've seen this in Nuts
(I helped save b3ta! Barbarossa is not my real name, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:16, archived)
# Soz Barb
My tether is at its end and I am all out of hummus. Please forgive me ;-)
(I helped save b3ta! Ninj, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:17, archived)
# I thought you'd fallen mad for a minute there ;)
(I helped save b3ta! Barbarossa is not my real name, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:19, archived)
# I thought this too
Must just be coincidence.
I hope....
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:17, archived)
# Woo!
(I helped save b3ta! Random Image Yes, yes, I'll speak to you on Monday, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:16, archived)
# hahahaha
(I helped save b3ta! printmeister http://tinyurl.com/c8s8fd5 for titanic T's, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:44, archived)