Alternatively
Maybe some of them saw how ineffective peaceful protest has been the past few years and are getting a little bit ticked off? Of course the proper route to vent your frustration would be the ballot box - but then we see LibDems do a 180 on the very issue they're protesting about.
NUS have been a bunch of pussies for years anyway - career ladder to government for the executive.
I'm glad some students have got up off their arses and smashed some shit up. Good on them. They're never heard any other way. There'll always be some tarquins involved rebelling against mummy and daddy, and that that fire extinguisher idiot, but generally bra-fucking-vo - and Millbank wasn't exactly poor targetting either.
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SpunkyBackpack, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 17:20,
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This
on the whole ineffective peaceful protest thing.
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Chilli Heatwave ,shit, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 17:51,
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Erm
The Libdems didn't win the election. I don't know why I need to keep pointing this out to people. They're a minority part of a coalition government, they'll get some of their plans through, but not all. The alternative would have been to get none of their plans through.
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Pew Pew Pew! Lasers! wannabe Gong Farmer, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 18:06,
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Yes
but this was one of their main policies, and something they campaigned very hard on. Their manifesto promised to abolish fees. Freezing them would've been a compromise, doubling them would've maybe been bearable. Tripling them is a complete sell out.
If they can't make a decent compromise on their main policies then there's no point in them propping up the Torys at all. If anything, they've allowed the Torys to cut faster and deeper with the legitimacy that a majority government lends them.
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greedyostrich Cheese is evil! Cheddar is VOODOO!, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 18:11,
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You're reading the headlines and not the details
Poor graduates will pay less. Wealthy graduates will pay more. Not all institutions will start charging 9 grand a year.
And frankly, the terms of the loan are unbelievable. I wish I had access to that money on those terms.
Oh and fuckoff moaning students tbh. If you don't think you can afford to pay off your loan, then go and mop some floors for a living. Don't waste my bloody money on your crap meaningless degree.
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Pew Pew Pew! Lasers! wannabe Gong Farmer, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 20:22,
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Simply not true.
To be honest Im tired of having to explain what the policy actually means, not in terms of the well off going to university, but lower income families. More important is in terms of our higher education sector as a driving force of our economy. We represent 1% of the world population yet contribute 8% of research. Take a look at the policy, take a look at the Lecturer's union website as well as the NUS to see what this policy means. Don't just take the frankly shambolic media coverage of this issue at face value. "Your reading the headlines" Give me a break...
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Jorvic, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 21:30,
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Students from lower income families won't be affected
And frankly the NUS can fuckoff, bunch of left-wing useless ignorant idiots.
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Pew Pew Pew! Lasers! wannabe Gong Farmer, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 9:53,
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Really?
So the decision to scrap the education maintenance allowance which allows poorer students to access further education without being a burden on their families won't effect them at all?
Less people from poorer backgrounds getting into FE means less of them eligible for higher education...
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thirdman Ia! Ia! R'lyeh Cthulhu ftagn! Ia! Ia! Mglui nafl, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 17:04,
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NUS? Left wing?
Haha, what fucking rock have you been living under for the past twenty years?
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If there aren't quality graduates
i.e. ones who got into uni by virtue of talent, not wealth or family background, then they won't be there to start businesses and drive industry, and there won't be any floors for you to mop. Even creative industries from arts degrees help keep the economy ticking over, and businesses appreciate the extra income (income for them= more tax income for the country) that they get from skilled graduates.
As for my degree, if you think sciences are worthless then you can throw that laptop in the bin and go resent the education of others in a mud hut somewhere.
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greedyostrich Cheese is evil! Cheddar is VOODOO!, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 21:58,
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Hmm
I think it's arguable that the general population should be paying for the higher education of elite intellectuals who might otherwise be tempted to emigrate to the USA, leaving the UK with the runts of the litter.
However, I don't think you'll find many people who think that funding a dance degree at a former polytechnic is a worthwhile allocation of tax revenues.
The expansion of higher education might have been a valid ambition, but in practice it's lead to a huge number of graduates with worthless degrees who would have been better served by apprenticeships or simply getting a job after leaving school.
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Well said...
Yes, I got a grant (i'm old), but it was soon reamed off me by the University who managed to figure out that charging precisely the same amount for renting me one room with a plywood plank for a bed and conditions that would have prisoners rioting would be acceptable.
Half the idiots at that "protest" yesterday are the product of a generation of a New Labour indoctrination process that leads the unintelligent to believe they have a "right" to everything being handed to them on a platter. Too think to pass an exam? we'll go to 100% coursework. Too lazy to do that properly? We'll keep letting you re-take until you do pass/get a grade you like the look of.
As a Science graduate, I saw thousands of pounds of funding going on to toss like "Media Studies" and other joke degrees so Tarquin and Jocasta could get a degree on 3 hours lectures a week, whilst hard sciences that will actually contribute to the bettering of society and industry (Chemistry, Physics and even Engineering) were dumbed-down or had next to no funding as the retarded illiterates were too scared to take the courses in case they were "difficult".
Frankly, I never saw my grant, I still had to work and take out loans and all this generation of spoilt brats have done is devalue what a degree is worth in the job marketplace as half the "graduates" nowadays can barely tie their shoelaces... twats.
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Absolutely
As a recipient of a free education AND, by the sounds of it, a maintenance grant, you're in exactly the right position to be criticising people who not only pay thousands of pounds a year for what you got free, but also have no access to what kept you able to afford your pallet in a freezing box.
Gumby.
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Natt, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 16:20,
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So
"Yes, I got a grant (i'm old), but it was soon reamed off me by the University who managed to figure out that charging precisely the same amount for renting me one room with a plywood plank for a bed and conditions that would have prisoners rioting would be acceptable."
You neither paid tuition fees or rent out of your own pocket, that puts you about £7k a year better off than current students then.
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greedyostrich Cheese is evil! Cheddar is VOODOO!, Sat 13 Nov 2010, 0:36,
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Well said...(not)
I too am that old to get a grant for my education. Unlike you I did not simply head for the nearest hall of residence but got off my arse and found my own accomodation. As a result I lived on my grant during term time and found part time work in the holidays. However with the advent of universal property speculation from the Thatcher era onwards and the ME society, rents have gone through the roof and the number of things people see as essential for daily life have increased. Going to college has been made much more expensive as a result and one loses the opportunity to learn practical survival skills. Mind you these are not much use in a society that just says spend, spend, in order to control us by fear induced by indebtedness
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I love it when people miss the point...
We have too many fucktards that are bring told they have a right to a degree, when a degree was, by definition supposed to be the preserve of the top few percent of the academic achievers. We are importing people with PHDs from Eastern Europe to empty the bins, because teenagers who can barely walk and talk without prompting are being told that anything less than a PhD is beneath them. Why fo' we need tuition fees? Because that jug-eared twat Blair decided that 50% of the population should be given a university education, despite this effectively negating the whole point of Universities - i.e the really academically bright people go there, whilst those not gifted in science or the arts should get vocational training, which is perfectly fine. Essentially he stated that half the population should be above average in intelligence. Thus proving he knows fuck all about Maths and also pressurising an academic environment that was geared to under half that capacity to double or triple resources required.
The net result? A degree is worth next to nothing in the job Market, universities cost too much for the government to run and we either turn students away or increase fees.
Remember that it was a LABOUR government in 1997 that decreed free higher education was unfair and that charging for it was somehow fair - so it became the preserve of those rich enough instead of bright enough to be there based on their talent.
Yes, I had a grant that paid for next to nothing. Oh, and I didn't get food, bills or anything else included in any if my residences, so I had various jobs trying to keep myself fed whilst also doing 20+ hours of lectures and 16 hours of lab experiments a week, so it wasn't like I wa on three hours study and as much beer as I could cope with - but of course, those sorts of degrees are under threat of being lost as the Tarquins and Samanthas are too thick/lazy to do that, so they fo' Media Studies or other timewaster courses.
Frankly, I still had over £10k of debt from loans I had to take out to pay for food, heat and light - so I agree that it's no hassle to pay it ba k - the rates are tiny and they have just raised the requirement level of when it starts being paid back. It's just a bunch of spoilt brats whining about maybe having to give something back toward funding their privileged existence.
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intolerance
or rather, the hope of changing up 'society', alerting us hard-nose grinders and number-crunchers, to the plight of a less-luckily endowed mass of humanity- this hope is the reason the weight of your 'worthless' humanities courses and grads grows. So you see the possibility that we're all a bit more educated as a problem?
No. The problems, sir, begin with the amount of resources being flushed by my country's superrpower militaries, and the lockstep which leads your land into our wars, and worse- eg., IMF, 'illegal' crop interdictions. But these are "human problems", created by humans, not by limitations.
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There's smashing some shit up to cause a fuss and then there's
throwing a fire extinquisher from a rooftop into a group of people.
That is losing some perspective from any side of the argument.
I hope he is done for attempted murder as news reports imply.
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Herman Blume is unique, just like everyone else, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 21:26,
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At least he was one of the few fuckers to cover his face though
Seriously, saw that Channel 4 report. Bunch of wide eyed teenagers smiling for the camera.
Who taught them how to riot?
Either they're seriously naive and are going to get a rude awakening when the dawn raid comes or they're confident daddies lawyer will protect them from the nasty police.
Plus they were all fucking smiling. Like it's just a jolly lark.
Any protest where people look like they're having fun I suspect the commitment of the people protesting.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 21:43,
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They do such shameful, idiotic things...
Dont you all have agents_provocateurs over there?
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That's all very well,
But they smashed up an office tower that doesn't even host the Tory headquarters. There are dozens of businesses in that tower that have nothing to do with the tories, and they had to evacuate the building and get out past load of thugs smashing windows and throwing things from the roof.
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wheelybird mreee!, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 16:30,
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