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Either you love 'em or you hate 'em. Or in the case of Fred West - both. Tell us your ankle-biter stories.

(, Thu 17 Apr 2008, 15:10)
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Think About The Children!!!!!
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Dread words. In today's society, there are two buttons that Government use to control the drones and pass more and more laws to control us.

Terrorism and Paedophilia.

When they propose these measures, and invoke one of the Holy Duality, all dissent is stifled and anyone who disagrees with Government is either a terrorist or a child molester. (Which I find incredibly ironic as the first time the Government used the Parliament Act was to ram through Tony Blair's Buggering Little Boys Bill)

The results of a lot of these new "safety measures" have affected society in a completely negative way. Take a couple of examples.

For years, decades, the local nursery has been bring their charges down to the beach to play and build sandcastles. Today, all that's gone.In order to take the kids to the Beach, the nursery has to fill out a Risk Assessment Visit prior to the trip. The Risk Assessment then has to be agreed by the local council and the Nursery's Insurers before the trip can take place. No more:

"It's a lovely day, let's take the kids to the beach..."

A second case is a mate of mine Tommy. Tommy's in his mid-60's, ex-prison officer and a lovely bloke. He's often found in the harbour messing around on his boat. In times past village mothers with young kids on the beach would often ask Tommy to keep an eye on the kids while they nipped to the loo. Tommy would agree and benevolently watch the kids from his boat.

"Not these days Legless" he moaned "I just can't risk it. The tiniest thing can be mistaken for something else and then you're in the shit."

His views were coloured by his experience as a Prison Officer. He looked after some poor bastard who had been locked up solely on the words on 2 13 year olds who accused a mentally subnormal bloke of touching them up. He was inside for two years before one of them confessed that they'd made it up because he wouldn't give them money for cigarettes.

It only takes the suspicion that someone's a kiddie-fiddler these days before the witch-hunt starts. And, once you've been accused (whether you're innocent or guilty) you're fucked.

So that leaves us with a society where people are keeping their heads down, not getting involved and avoiding the collective responsibility that used to keep kids safe.

Youth organisations now have falling numbers of volunteers willing to give up their time to teach kids. Scouts, Cubs, Youth Clubs - all have trouble finding people willing to give up some time as prospective volunteers are all too aware that it only takes one little shit to claim he's been "inappropriately touched" and their world falls apart.

Don't get me wrong. This isn't about defending kiddie-fiddlers. There *are* predators out there. There are people who will take advantage of a kids trust or innocence to do nasty things to them. And when we catch them you can geld the fuckers with a hot iron in my opinion. There's just not as many as the Government would have you think.


Discuss.

Cheers
(, Sun 20 Apr 2008, 1:31, 9 replies)
I blame the right-wing tabloids and their readers
Witness Brass Eye a few years ago critisicing this sort of hysteria (The News of the World almost organising peado witch hunts) - that got completely condemned by all the "won't someone please think of the children" brigade and the papers they read and now they've finally realised how ridicolous they were being, instead of admitting that, they choose to blame the imaginary "PC brigade".

I really don't understand this country sometimes.
(, Sun 20 Apr 2008, 2:15, closed)
my old headmaster
had his life utterly destroyed by a couple of 14/15-year-old bitches who accused him of touching them up, all because he had refused to allow them to drink wine on a school trip to france. he'd spoiled their fun, so they decided to spoil his career, reputation, marriage and life. the police did, eventually, get one of them to confess, but it was too late by then. the damage had been done.
i hope those little bitches got what was coming to them.
(, Sun 20 Apr 2008, 3:17, closed)
Sadly
The police are fucked either way. Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't.

Of course any allegation of child abuse has to be taken seriously - especially in those in positions of trust and power. But now the mere allegation is enough to destroy someone's life.

I think that it might be an idea to pass a law guaranteeing the anonymity of someone whose accused of kiddie-fiddling. Up until they're convicted - then you can let loose the hounds.

But even this is fraught with problems. Some people have only been caught because, when they were arrested, others have heard about it and came forward saying that they were abused as well.

Meh. It'll take a wiser soul than me to figure out what's fair to both the accused and society.

Cheers
(, Sun 20 Apr 2008, 4:02, closed)
By the power vested in me by news international I pronounce you to be a Pedofile
Does anyone else remember the peado-finder general on monkey dust?

Its becoming more and more like a documentary.
(, Sun 20 Apr 2008, 10:46, closed)
Hate
People just love to find a group to hate and Peados are an ace target.

At one time they could get away with all sorts (no one wanted to believe the child), now there is hysteria in the other direction.

Would I work with kids?
Not a chance.
(, Sun 20 Apr 2008, 11:18, closed)
But now it has gotten so bad....
That if there is a child crying, who is in certain need of assistance, most men won't even consider approaching the child for fear of reproach.

That's a sad sad world we live in.

A few years ago on a trip across the pond with my folks, most people were asleep when my dad (mid 40's) heard a small kid crying, "help me, please help me." We were the last seats on the plane, just before the loo's, and a kid of 4 or 5 couldn't get the door open.

My dad instinctively got up, yanked the door open, and the kid bolted out crying his eyes out, and woke up his mum a few seats in front of us in hysterics, she spent about an hour trying to calm him down.

My dad sat back down, and then realised how it could have been seen, and spent the rest of the flight shitting bricks, expecting the police to be waiting for him to get off the plane.

Thankfully the child must have spoken up about what had happened, because after he peered down the aisle, and pointed at my dad (sending him into another panic) a hostess appeared with a bottle of something bubbly.
(, Sun 20 Apr 2008, 12:01, closed)
^This.
"if there is a child crying, who is in certain need of assistance, most men won't even consider approaching the child for fear of reproach."

Spot on. I used to work, in my spare time, at a club teaching circus skills to deprived kids in inner city Manchester. (That was until the little bastards broke in and nicked all the kit....) Would I do it now? Would I buggery. Too risky.

Still, at least I've got the satisfaction that I made a difference in some kids lives. A few went on to be professional or semi-professional performers. Kept them off the streets, away from crime and gave them skills that they could use to earn money anywhere in the world.

But I wouldn't do it again unless every second was on CCTV for my own protection.

Sad world init!

Cheers
(, Sun 20 Apr 2008, 12:38, closed)
I used to be a Guide leader
having been through the process from brownies. a few years before I left, the rule came into being that we were no longer allowed to touch the children. when we were off with the brownies for a weekend, if one were to have a bad dream and come to find us for support we couldn't give the child the small cuddle it would need to calm down and get back to sleep. not even a pat on the head.

whilst I understand that children must be protected, it makes me wonder what will happen to these children who are deprived of all human contact and are brought up only touching their parents.
(, Mon 21 Apr 2008, 10:04, closed)
To quote a song...
"Thou shalt not think any male over the age of 30 that plays with a child that is not their own is a paedophile - Some people are just nice. "

A line taken from 'Thou shalt always kill' by Scroobius Pip, and never a truer word.
(, Mon 21 Apr 2008, 10:39, closed)

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