fucking bollocks, you're basically saying that the more money you have the less desire you have to save it.

(PsychoChomp, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 15:49, 1 reply, 12 years ago)

No, I'm saying the more money you have, the less likely you're going to be to want to give it to somebody else.

( Kroney, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 15:49, Reply)

Which is a fucked up attitude.

( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 15:50, Reply)

It's human nature, I'm afraid.
This same instinct to hoard is the reason why capitalism even exists.
( Kroney, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 15:51, Reply)

capitalism squirrels
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 15:54, Reply)

hahaha!
Nuts
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 15:55, Reply)

its human nature to be sexist/racist as well
or it was in the 50s
(PsychoChomp, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 15:56, Reply)

You're confusing psychology with sociology.
Women were treated as inferior because society traditionally treated them as such. Human beings hoard resources. They fight to protect them, they covet those of others. It's a survival instinct. You can't simply get rid of it by making it naughty.
( Kroney, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 15:59, Reply)

The greatest lie that capitilism has ever sold.
there's no evidence for that and there's a heap of Anthropological evidence that counters it.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 16:06, Reply)

Humans have only co-operated when it's in the individual's best interests to do so.
The minute they feel they're getting a raw deal, they instantly revert to type. If you want to see what human beings are really like, restrict the food supply. I guarantee you that you won't see any sharing for the greater good.
( Kroney, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 16:08, Reply)

Yes well ~I can't really be bothered to counteract what you "reckon" when you're talking so much shit.
Go look at villages in Pakistan after the flooding or Japan after the Tsunami and see how they came together to do what they could in their comunities to help everyone.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 16:12, Reply)

Easier to get help to tidy up your own gaff
when you've got a whole bunch of people to help you, isn't it. Co-operation for individual gain.
( Kroney, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 16:14, Reply)

Rationing during WW2
Families taking children from the cities etc.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 16:16, Reply)

Nobody was starving.
If you're going to analyse something that has its root in a survival instinct, you're goign to have to look at situations where it was present in its purest form.

You talk about a disaster, or a war, everybody's on a more or less equal footing. Nobody's actually starving, rationing was actually a great equaliser in that capacity. Nobody's at a survival level. The tsunami had international aid packages and the rest of the country's food reserves. When everybody else is suffering to the same extent you are, people are much more willing to co-operate.

I'm saying that capitalism has its root in the same acquisition of resources as that survival instinct. I'm not saying that all humans act like that all the time, but people are fundamentally selfish and will act in that way when they think they can get away with it.
( Kroney, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 16:19, Reply)

There's a football thread
you can duel this out with rolled up Guardians if you want
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 16:22, Reply)

I don't get your argument.
Because peoples self preservation is not immediatly at risk, they didn't have to be greedy?
Unlike Jimmy Carr, who's starving and therefore only able to act under his primal urges.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 16:24, Reply)

You're taking it too literally.
When everybody has nothing, they will co-operate to survive. When there's an inequality, they will fight each other for resources.

The rich want to keep what they have because they've acquired it themselves, they have a me and mine attitude. The poor want a piece of it through taxing the rich to provide services or more dole money, or whatever. They have a me and mine attitude.

I was just comparing it to a survival instinct because, ultimately, I think it's the same aspect of our character that triggers the behaviour.
( Kroney, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 16:26, Reply)

Man, those black bitches sure got me told

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 15:59, Reply)

that's not human nature that's a societal trend

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 15:59, Reply)

also the greater your ability to pay someone to help you hide it

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 15:50, Reply)

this is the real answer
if you can afford an £800 an hour tax lawyer...
( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 15:57, Reply)

I did that once, he saved me £802 in tax
Nakers 1 taxman 0, BOOM!
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 16:01, Reply)

This is true.
If I go shopping with £100, I'm less likely to spend it than if I go shopping with £10.

But that might just be me and not Rswipe.
( girlinthehole, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 15:51, Reply)

£100?
what can you buy for that?!
( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 15:57, Reply)

Monty...and everything he owns




and his flat
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 15:58, Reply)

300 packets of Fizzy Fangs from Sainsburys

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 19 Jun 2012, 15:58, Reply)