He's right though, there are a miniscule amount of people better off on benefits than they would be working.

( Peej, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:01, 1 reply, 10 years ago)

I don't recall specifying numbers, which Al would have noticed if he was capable of reading. I said it happened.
That it happens at all is a stupid situation.
( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:03, Reply)

The stupid situation is how the media, politicians and the public alike all allow such non-issues to dominate the agenda

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:04, Reply)

That is indeed also stupid.
The two things, however, are not mutually exclusive. That it is being blown up into a huge issue is stupid, so is the original situation.
( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:06, Reply)

No, no it isn't
and if you weren't such a fucking idiot you could see why what you just said was fucking stupid.

No system that exists on the scale of our welfare system can operate with no fraud at all, but it can operate with very low, insignificant levels of fraud. And it does.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:05, Reply)

Yeah, I'm pretty much just going to entirely ignore your arguments.
Since you're incapable of making them without sounding like a total cunt.
( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:10, Reply)

That's an excellent attitude, and typifies exactly what I said originally.
Instead of just going "Well I've never been so offended in my life" why not actually address the very simple point I made, which is that benefit fraud is no a meaningful contribution to any ill effects in the economy, and that in order to have a system that helps the people that need it 99% of the time, you have to help people that don't 1% of the time.

Or do you not actually have a response to that?
(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:12, Reply)

If you actually want to change peoples' minds, you should probably talk to them rationally
rather than frothing at the mouth and name calling. It doesn't make you look terribly stable, old chap. Rather worried that you might have some kind of mental condition. Do you live in an area with high lead pollution levels?
( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:14, Reply)

I don't care if I change your mind at all.
And everything you are writing simply reinforces what I'm saying, I dare you to suggest your are simply trying to troll, because as I said below, being stupid and not having a valid argument is not the same as trolling.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:17, Reply)

OK, so when you argue about topics like this, you're not trying to change anybody's minds.
Rather, it's simply an opportunity to rant at people and call them stupid?

I do apologise, you're sounding more stable by the minute.
( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:19, Reply)

You have demonstrated that you are unable to change your mind, and are therefore an idiot.
You are as bad as someone who believes in homeopathy.

Come back with an argument against what I've said above.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:21, Reply)

What's the point in coming back with an argument
when you've proved yourself unwilling to try to change any minds? You rant and rave, seemingly for your own amusement. There is a significant difference between being unable to formulate an argument and change opinions, and being unwilling to pay any attention to a ranty, foamy-mouthed prick.
( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:26, Reply)

Because if you actually came back with a defensible argument it would show that you weren't an idiot
but you can't, because your only argument is "benefit fraud is really significant and it's vital that it cannot happen ever", which as I've said is both an impossibility and an argument born of considering all other human beings who aren't as lucky as you to be beneath you and unworthy of assistance.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:30, Reply)

What's sad is how many of these traits you claim to despise
you display yourself.
( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:33, Reply)

Can you please list these traits?
Because i've only pointed out one trait, singular, and if you can provide evidence that I actually look down on people who claim benefits for whatever reason then I'd love to see it.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:35, Reply)

I see
but then a lot of stupid things happen everyday that are ridiculous but happen so little people don't really pay it much mind, but evil benefit scroungers are front page news and on TV despite the fact they really aren't causing harm to the economy.
( Peej, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:06, Reply)