What the fuck does YMMV mean?
Also, that's a colossal pile of shit, like TMB said yesterday, most people will have it in their contracts that they are required to complete tasks rather than just working exact hours. If you want to work exact hours, you do a minimum wage secretarys job, if you want proper money then you have to accept that it comes at a cost.
(Bazongaloid, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:11, 3 replies, latest was 12 years ago)

Reading between the lines
It sounds as though his ex-employers told him the same thing.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:12, Reply)

I was going to make the point yesterday
that the "not having hours specified in a contract" is usually directly correlated to "actually being paid a decent amount of money" but I couldn't think of a way of doing it that didn't come across as "ner ner ner I get paid a lot" ... so I didn't. But it's true.

The other point that Captain P massively misses, because he's too busy getting stressed about the negatives, is that "no specified hours" works both ways. If it's sunny and I want to spend the day in a pub beer garden rather than the office, or go to the beach, or nip off skiing for a day in the winter, I can. Without asking permission or taking a day off or lying that I'm ill.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:25, Reply)

Quite,
the way it works in that way is, if you've got too much work to cope with then a decent manager will recognise this and get more staff to help, or if they can't afford more staff but the work is still piling up, then your business is flawed in some way and will fail.

Conversaly if there is too little for you to do and you end up being able to take loads of slack days off, then you get made redundant because your job clearly isn't needed.

Most people probably have a balance where some days you're really busy and end up working late, and other days you get to knock off early to make up for it.

Swipe is clearly the exception with her stupid long hours, but she gets paid millions of pounds so she can just suck it up.
(Bazongaloid, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:31, Reply)

Couple of my friends also choose, with their jobs
to work 14+ hours a day for 6 days a week for massive reward, with the intention of retiring at 40. Not how I'd do it, but I can see why you might. As you say, it's all about balance.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:35, Reply)

What really really fucking does my sweed in, is when people ask me to make a website like facebook and make millions.
Or when they say "I'm going to show my boss, I'm going to do the exact same thing as I do for my boss, only on my own, and pocket all the money".

I've never meet anyone who's said that who wasn't what I call a Life Loser. It doesn't click that it takes a team of people to make a buisness, and it takes investment. Sure, their boss gets the profits, but they don't see their boss mortgaging the family home, or staying up worrying all night that paying their employees comes first. Or clients means he's the first not to draw a wage.

People don't realise how much a high end website takes, it takes teams of people these days.

I came up with a great annology that I'm going to say to the next person "Tell me your favorite film.... tell me the first scene... what colour is the carpet? what colour shirt is the actor wearing? What is on the wall?..... now THAT is the difference between some drunk idea in the pub and making a working project".
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:28, Reply)

Oooo, I like that analogy.
I also like that analogy contains the word anal.
(Bazongaloid, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:32, Reply)

Anal is to do with bums, tee hee.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:36, Reply)

does it?

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:37, Reply)

It also contains the word log, which can sometimes refer to poo.
What a fun word.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:39, Reply)

And it's an anagram of "GAY LOAN"

( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:58, Reply)

Gonz,
people are genuinely stupid. I used to be a travelling relief manager for Fullers, going in to failing pubs and holding them (basically, keeping the doors open, and the beer flowing) until they could find a new permanent manager. 90% of these pubs were ruined by people who had made a bit of money and decided they would get a pub lease as "a retirement project" a nice little village pub for them. They failed to realise that running a pub for yourself is actual work.
it's not just Life Losers who have no grasp of how much work goes in to stuff.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:34, Reply)

When I worked in a pub, the people that ran it were complete fucking idiots
the stupid thing was, the pub was raking in money, every night we would be full of people eating and drinking, weekends were crazy busy from open until close, and the owners did all the chefing and they knew what they were doing there, but they must have been on the worst contract because they were hardly making any money at all, despite all the time and energy they were putting into it. Silly really.
(Bazongaloid, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:41, Reply)

customers don't automatically equal profit.

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:45, Reply)

True
but all the staff were on minimum wage, the food was relatively pricey, as was the booze. If they couldn't make it turn a profit then it jsut proves my "idiot" theory even more.
(Bazongaloid, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:48, Reply)

totally,
this seems to be the problem in the places i used to go in to. They'd have the sales, but had absolutely no idea how to turn it in to profit. They'd be paying too much for stock, or there would be massive wastage, or lack of knowledge about pricing dishes for a good GP, too many staff on when it's quiet, energy bills. All sorts of stuff. or the staff are on the rob. or the manager is on the rob to avoid having to pay to the pub company.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:52, Reply)

Yup, totally.
I think the worst ones are those who won't tell me the idea incase I steal it. I normally just say "Ok, then, never mind" and they act disgruntled when I don't insist they tell me. Or if I say "Draw up an NDA then", then they say they can't afford the solicitor's fees.

I don't get how someone can geninunly believe they've got an idea that'll make them rich beyond millions, but won't even put £100 in a solicitor's pocket to protect this idea. Yet normally they'd still buy loto tickets.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:43, Reply)

I'll send you one of my NDAs
just change the names of the parties. They won't even need £100 then.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:45, Reply)

That makes sense.
I may be a bit naive here but in terms of a NDA, what's the difference between a solicitor drawn up one and just a piece of paper signed by both people saying "I won't disclose information I was told on X date by X person"
(PsychoChomp, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 11:00, Reply)

About £100

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 11:03, Reply)

tangles has it right on the head, here.
/specifically, you probably need it to say certain things about foreground and background knowledge really, but I've signed one before with a Norwegian company that is only 3 lines long and says "I won't tell if you don't" or words to that effect. So that will do.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 11:08, Reply)

I don't know a lot about web design,
but i'm guessing if you want to have someone make you a website, you sort of need to tell them what the website is for?
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:46, Reply)

Yup, its pretty key.
And a proper website, at the sort of level I'm at, requires a whole team, it needs all of the following, which are full time careers in their own.... the first one in each line is the main job, and the ones next to them are sub jobs of them that sometimes are taken care of the main person.

- Designer / Front End Developer / UI Expert / UX Expert
- Back End Developer / Database Engineer / Server Achectect
- Copy Writer / Content Editor / SEO Specalist / Social Media Specalist.
- Project Manager / Client Manager.

Plus once you've got a site, you kindda gotta keep it running.

The most disheartening thing about my job is when I do something stunningly amazing and the client won't put content in 'cus they can't be fucked/are too busy.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:53, Reply)

although,
i've heard, if you punch the monitor hard enough when you're looking at a website, the person who owns the domain name falls out of their chair.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:59, Reply)

I love those people who are always saying "This place would fall apart if I ever left"
In my experience those places are usually a lot happier and more efficient when someone finally calls their bluff and gets rid of the miserable old cunt.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:36, Reply)

Unless those people are actually RSJs
I think they're lying.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:39, Reply)

I like the idea that one of the RSJs just gets fed up one day and fucks off.

(Bazongaloid, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:41, Reply)

"you've NEVER appreciated me!"

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 10:42, Reply)