Man to sue Police over surveillance
This is a kind of interesting adjunct to some of the posts here during the royal wedding. /links seems to be quite anti-protest and anti-freedom of speech. Have a read. Stopped while helping a relative move house because his car registration was picked up by a traffic camera and alerted police. nice.
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not anti-protest or anti-freedom
just anti-twat...
pick your battles and make them worth-wile...instead of being an attention seeking cunt.
haven't read the link... just referring to the /links comment.
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^very much this
With added "if you're going to get caught knowingly breaking the law, try not to be a whiny little bitch about it".
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Tue 3 May 2011, 12:04,
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^THIS
Live on an island for one if you can't cope with laws.
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more attention seeking twattism
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/audio/2009/mar/06/surveillance-justice yup not anti-protest or anti-freedom just anti-twat. brilliant. well here's another interesting 'cunty' link.
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Is it against the law for me to follow someone and write down details of their entire day like I'm a private detective?
just curious because that would obviously be worse and even more intrusive. Or like a newspaper reporter. I hope this man doesn't talk to the press, they're clearly far worse than the police.
It's a bit weird what the police are doing in terms of simply discovering someone can tell you where you were and what you were doing better than your own memory, but I'm not sure what harm it's doing.
It's kind of impressive that the police are paying attention and making notes on these things, or would he rather they ignored everyone, including the extremists that turn up to protests, draw layouts of things etc etc
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HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 3 May 2011, 12:12,
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'if you aren't doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about'
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mutated monty, Tue 3 May 2011, 12:40,
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indeed, and sometimes its reassuring that people are keeping an eye on you in case you take a tumble!
but back to my first question, does anyone know if it is legal to follow someone and record everything they are doing when you are not a policeman?
If its legal for normal people, reporters or private eyes to do it, what is this guy complaining about?
Also, isn't he being a bit of a hypocritical cunt if he was drawing who was there and where the police stood?
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HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 3 May 2011, 12:52,
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You can do whatever you like in a public space
so long as you're not harassing that person. Which probably means that if said person got annoyed enough at your actions, they might be able to use the law to stop that annoyance.
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Pew Pew Pew! Lasers! wannabe Gong Farmer, Tue 3 May 2011, 14:45,
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right, so if I'm not spotted I can create my own massive dossier on this bloke
brilliant!
maybe I've already started :D
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HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 3 May 2011, 14:51,
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It happens with
celebs all the time. Huge scrapbooks of every newspaper cutting, camping outside houses etc. If it goes too far, it can be a criminal act, as in the Rio Ferdinand case recently.
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:00,
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it makes it hard for me to think that what the police is doing is bad
when in theory they have the best intentions and there are so many more mental people doing far worse yet not breaking the law
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HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:16,
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And if you aren't doing anything wrong you don't need watching doing it.
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but you can't know someone is doing anything wrong without watching them
I'd rather there was a chance police could prevent a serious crime than they had to see every disaster happen before slowly working their way back through evidence to say "ooh, it was him", especially if by this non observation approach witness statements couldn't be taken or neighbours/family members couldn't be asked about suspects because just looking at anyone around you and remembering what they did was some kind of fascist control. :D
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HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 3 May 2011, 13:53,
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as someone who loves attention...
if no ones watching, you've got something to worry about.
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And if you take statements like that seriously, you're not much of a thinker.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 3 May 2011, 14:16,
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it gets more fascist here every fucking day
great article.
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Avast is still alive!!!!, Tue 3 May 2011, 12:37,
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I used to be a screaming left wing liberal
when i was a kid... and as i grew up my political leanings have only become more centralised.
real Life...and taxes...the two greatest threats to liberalism.
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i was branded a 'lefty cunt' to a group EDL on the other week
tru fax.
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If there is anyone who abuses freedom of speech,
its the fucking EDL. I think it should be changed to 'rationality of speech'.
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That's half the country locked up right there.
Rational speech? haha!
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Now I've actually read the link
I've found out he's associated with Smash EDO, who are a bunch of cunts of the highest order. They're running a campaign of harassment similar to that which was waged against Huntingdon Life Sciences.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Tue 3 May 2011, 12:42,
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Yeah he is a really danger
On another occasion he was logged as having "sat on a folding chair and appeared to be sketching" at a demonstration.
welcome to B3DL.
(, Tue 3 May 2011, 14:44, Share, Reply)
Sketching what?
Sketching pretty bunnies and rainbows, or the security systems of the premises the protest is at? We don't know and we'll never know unless the police take an interest in these sorts of things.
Seriously, if you're at all bothered about the police taking an interest in you, maybe you'd want to stop hanging around with known extremists such as say... oh I don't know. Smash EDO perhaps.
This is nothing to do with the EDL either so you're not really helping your case there.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:17,
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What do you mean, did they take a line opposite yours?
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Tue 3 May 2011, 13:26,
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No.
I mean all this big brother-paranoia-everything is black and white lazy-ass journalism.
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JamTallons, Tue 3 May 2011, 14:59,
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It does seem a bit dodgy,
right up to the point where they talk about Smash EDO. This is a group that has been involved in a spate of criminal acts, and it seems they're going to continue.
It's part of the polices job to protect the company, and if they're any good at that job it should involve being pro-avtive, and gathering intelligence on the group's members.
I happen to agree with Smash EDO's sentiments, although, not some of their methods, but all I can see here is police doing what they are meant to do.
It will be interesting to see what happens with the case.
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The Awful Puppy Bakery is still bored, Tue 3 May 2011, 14:23,
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Sorry but fuck the Guardian for using "scary" music in their video, no matter how relevant the news report is.
That's the point at which I closed the page.
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Pew Pew Pew! Lasers! wannabe Gong Farmer, Tue 3 May 2011, 14:46,
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Isnt the point of a protest
to get noticed? You can hardly then complain if you do. I also like the irony that this horrible police state has a law in place that allows him to read the files they have on him! North Korea are a bunch of amateurs compared to the UK.
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Tue 3 May 2011, 14:54,
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