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(, Sun 1 Apr 2001, 1:00)
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/OT's resident Time Bandit in 'starts shit thread' shocker.
I've been reading with interest about the attempts by Newham Council to dump their povvoes on Stoke, claiming that they lack the necessary povvo housing for them all.

I doubt this severely (I once accidentally went through Newham and there seemed to be more than enough shit housing to go around), but it got me thinking. On R4 there was some 'expert' saying that these relocations led to people staying several families to a flat to avoid leaving and boo hoo poor people etc.

To my mind, if someone is offering you enough money to live on (albeit only just) and a home, surely you should just say 'thank you very much' and take the free life offered, no matter where it is? Do these people have the right to moan about it. I think they're cheeky cunts and fuck 'em, grubby little oiks.

Is that perhaps a little harsh of me?

Alt: Rain, eh? Cuh! Unbelievable.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 8:55, Reply)
I think it's a bit harsh of you, but then you're Monty and I'm a bleeding heart Liberal.
I think if they have friends/family/roots where they are, the problem is only going to get worse by isolating them away from any limited support network they may have. People with drink/drug/health problems will only get worse and be a bigger drain if they don't have people around them.

That said, I think it's just an attempt by Stoke Council to raise the quality of people in the area anyway...
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:02, Reply)
It's a free house and free money.
Boo hoo for your fuckign roots etc.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:05, Reply)
Doesn't really answer the point about making things worse
rather than better though, does it?
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:07, Reply)
Who cares? They'll be in Stoke so I won't have to see them
with their consumption and rickets.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:13, Reply)

It's the worst place in the world, but two detectives are determined to clean up Stoke. Coming soon to ITV - Consumption and Rickets.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:15, Reply)
Hahaha

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:19, Reply)
Obvious question, but if you were in their situation, and they said you had to move to Stoke, would you?
I somewhat doubt it.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:02, Reply)
You've clearly never seen Newham.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:04, Reply)
you've clearly never seen stoke

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:05, Reply)
I didn't know it was a real place.
I thought it had been invented for the purposes of rhyming slang.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:08, Reply)
It is a hideous, hideous place
When the riots were going last year, some chavs were considering trashing Stoke, before realising it's simply not worth it, as there's nothing left to smash.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:10, Reply)
When Betjeman wrote 'Come happy bombs and fall on Slough' he hadn't heard of Stoke.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:18, Reply)
Perhaps some kind of bomb-share enterprise could be arranged.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:25, Reply)

happy friendly

you illiterate pygmy
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:29, Reply)
You are correct.
About the poem. Nothing else.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:38, Reply)
hi monty, guess what?

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:02, Reply)
You're a cunt?

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:04, Reply)
no monty, please be serious for a second

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:04, Reply)
You have eye cancer?

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:08, Reply)
*crosses fingers*

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:08, Reply)
He can't see you doing that, you know.
What with the old eye cancer and all.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:09, Reply)
Sorry Q, what's up?

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:08, Reply)
Mary Beard is weird

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:10, Reply)
She's a bit common isn't she?
If she's not careful she'll end up in Stoke.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:13, Reply)
i dunno about common
but she definitely has the wide eyed stare of a woman in the throes of a mental breakdown
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:28, Reply)
Too much acid in the 60s I reckon

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:37, Reply)
FUCK THE POVVOS.
If they don't like being relocated then they can try being homeless instead.

If you expect the state to fund you then you should have no right whatsoever to be picky about it. If you don't like what they offer you get off your fat Iceland-frozen-food-consuming lazy workshy arse and get a job. Then use your salary to provide a home in whatever godforsaken chavvy shitville you chose to exist in.

. Breathes.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:02, Reply)
NWA's zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:09, Reply)
hold on a minute
i'm no expert here, but i'm fairly sure that the majority of people living is social housing aren't doing so 'free'. generally it is the cheapest, nastiest accomodation possible at a more affordable rent

these people generally provide essential services that most of us would struggle to cope without, they're the bin men, the street sweepers, the child minders, the nurses and the generally underpaid underclass who struggle to get by while doing jobs that none of us want to do.
If housing prices hadn't been allowed to escalate to ridiculous proportions over the last 40 years these people could probably afford to buy their own houses, but the greed and money-grabbing of those in power, the developers and those who paid £40,000 for a house 25 years ago and now want £400,000 for it are pricks
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:10, Reply)
Note I said "if you expect the state to fund you".
My point was not in regard to those working on a low income. Read things properly before posting.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:13, Reply)
so all those being asked to relocate don't have jobs?

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:14, Reply)
My point is that if you don't have a job and are choosing to live off the state then you can't complain about being relocated.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:17, Reply)
and many of those being asked to relocate would have jobs
so your daily mail-esque point is somewhat undervalued
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:19, Reply)
Let me put this in to a simple enough sentence that even you can understand.
My point was not about those with jobs.

My point was about those who chose not to work and expect the state to provide for them.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:23, Reply)
we were talking about relocating people in social housing
you immediately jumped to the conclusion that all occupants of social housing are unemployed and should shut up moaning because they ahve no right to decide where they live
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:26, Reply)
Look I'm sure your mum tries very hard to look for work.
It's not her fault she's of limited ability and has 'black lung'.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:27, Reply)
it was all those minors she sucked off

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:28, Reply)
hahahaha

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:37, Reply)
It is of vital importance
that you understand the difference between "miners" and "minors" and then use the correct spelling.

Avoids misunderstandings, you see.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:39, Reply)
did it occur to you that it might be deliberate?

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:43, Reply)
Yes
But then I dismissed the possibility as laughable
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:45, Reply)
No I did not.
Read my post carefully (let us know if you need any help with words of more than two syllables).

"if you expect the state to fund you"

At no point have I said that those with jobs should have to relocate.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:28, Reply)
'if you expect the state to fund you' in a conversation about people in social housing
implying that you had assumed the majority of those in social housing were on benefits

i wonder what the ratio of unemployed but living in private property to unemployed in social housing is? i bet that would be an interesting statistic
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:30, Reply)
I made no such assumption. If you choose to infer that from my post that's due to your inability to properly grasp a point of view.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:31, Reply)
look battered, i don't want to have to chuck you off the team
but you definitely assumed that people in social housing were on benefits
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:33, Reply)
Of course a percentage are. I did not say that all those in social housing are.
What's this team you keep dribbling on about?
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:35, Reply)
your off the team, sorry
it'll just be me and barry against you all when it kicks off
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:37, Reply)
Fuck me Quint
That was rather good. I feel justified in claiming you were not a complete knob all this time.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:49, Reply)
CHEERS MAN, YOUR ON THE TEAM

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:52, Reply)

Quints in talking sense shocker.


Next week on B3ta: Bert turns out to be a normal well adjusted, responsible adult.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:13, Reply)
Housing prices aren't 'allowed' anything.
They've risen through demand. Tough shit.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:14, Reply)
but your missing the point of demand
supply has been limited, deliberately in many cases, in order to increase prices
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:16, Reply)
The developers have massive land banks available
They choose to build slowly so prices don't fall on increased supply, and profits suffer.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:20, Reply)
It's been limited by limited availability and a rising population
not by some evil mastermind.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:20, Reply)
its been limited by local authorities and developers
population increase and immigration are things the government is aware of and rather than set targets to ensure that adequate development took place they restricted development, as did the developers so that instead of building many houses at a cheaper cost, they built few and charged extortionately for them
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:24, Reply)
So what you're saying is 'send 'em back', right?

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:26, Reply)
i'd prefer euthanisia on a large scale to some sort of newham exodus

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:27, Reply)
Cheaper in the long run.
Society is the real winner with this plan.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:35, Reply)
I was listening yesterday to this, and I felt sorry for the Londoner who was being shunted off to Walsall
It seems reasonable to me that immigrants who turn up at the council offices requiring housing, should be told that housing is available in the North, given the bus fare and sent on their way.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:13, Reply)
...with a sound thrashing for their impertinence.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:15, Reply)
Of course.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:16, Reply)
Alt: if one more person in my team talks about the rain and hosepipe bans I'm going to start dishing out verbal warnings.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:14, Reply)
i hope this drought clears up soon

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:15, Reply)
....with your cock.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:15, Reply)
Don't care
I'm going to see FAITH NO MORE in July
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:15, Reply)
Managed to get tickets then fella?
Epic.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:19, Reply)
Nicely done
And yes, as I said in my text, I owe you a huge vote of thanks and some beer. Will probably be in Manchester for work again in June BTW
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:21, Reply)
Ah, just seen your text now
Cool cool fella, let me know?
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:24, Reply)
Will do mate
I should have CombiChrist tickets by then as well so the whole night will be on me!

Apparently I have to go to Manc for TWO WEEKS. I'm definitely going to be drunk. Your company would be much appreciated
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:29, Reply)
I'm sure I can arrange something, haha
Might even try to sort out a bash for when you're up?
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:32, Reply)
That'd be awesome but I have no intention of staying there over the weekend!
Obviously if a midweek bash can be arranged I'll be on that like Torres onto the most unlikely equaliser of all time
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:34, Reply)
Been done before, shall see what we can sort

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:48, Reply)
Unlucky.
Hopefully they'll all die in a fire and you'll be spared any 'funky rap/rock' stylings.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:21, Reply)
Hold the fucking phone
Monty Boyce has an OPINION about MUSIC on the INTERNET and is WRONG

*looks for other heralds of the apocalypse*
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:24, Reply)
*looks for the Herald of Free Enterprise*


(no Kroney, not that Enterprise, put it away lad)
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:25, Reply)
Captain's log?

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:29, Reply)
The Captain of the old 'Herald' certainly was.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:30, Reply)
I'll be honest Monty, I've got no idea what you're on about
I was just making a poo joke
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:32, Reply)
So was I.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:33, Reply)
You can't have been
Because then we'd be agreeing on something. Even accidentally, this just won't do.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:35, Reply)
Hah! As if I'd ever leave my shuttle bay doors open

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:44, Reply)
Dear Monty
If you're wrong, I don't ever want to be right.

Kind regards

Stunned

P.S. I was slightly late for work this morning due to what the DLR call "adverse weather". I thought it was a bit of rain. Is that perhaps a little harsh of me?
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:26, Reply)
It was late due to 'trains on the line'

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:28, Reply)
They haven't even got the excuse of lazy, fat
slack jawed Bob Crows driving them either.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:30, Reply)
^ true love on the internet right here ^

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:29, Reply)
Get your rat out.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:30, Reply)
Hail to the King, baby

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:32, Reply)
Its like with the gypos on that farm
Oh we are a community we live with our familys, don't break up the family. Well how many normal non dole scum people do you know where the whole family all have home on the same street. Fuck that would be horrible. My sister lives three streets away from me and that too close. Dole Scum should get what they are given.

Beggers can't be choosers as my old gramps said. That and send them all back to where they fucking came from.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:29, Reply)
Plus, burn them.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:32, Reply)
I didn't see my family for 6 months last year
That was bliss.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:32, Reply)
You talk sense. For a change.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:34, Reply)
tsk 'dole scum'
tsk
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:35, Reply)
I always talk sense.
Ask Monty
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:38, Reply)
^ FACTS

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:43, Reply)
I wonder where all the Dale Farm cunts have ended up?

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:35, Reply)
They still work for Basildon Council.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:36, Reply)
Hopefully, a few ended up in these products.
www.dalepak.co.uk/
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:47, Reply)
I don't like any of you today*...
I may actually have to do some work until my sense of humour comes back and replaces this feeling of righteous indignation.


*('the feeling's mutual, blah, blah')
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:36, Reply)
Gaylord.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:46, Reply)
Righteous Indignation
Now THAT was a good spaceship
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:48, Reply)
haha

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:57, Reply)
Sub human scum get what they are given.
I don't care what they want or think.

If they move them to Stoke they'll be the poshest cunts there.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:36, Reply)
OK I've definitely been watching too much Partridge

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:39, Reply)
Impossible

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:43, Reply)
I watched the whole first series last night
The rewatchability of it is amazing
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:45, Reply)
Class is permanent.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:46, Reply)
Communists have no class.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:48, Reply)
OI!

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:07, Reply)
Tell Kate Middleton that

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:48, Reply)
I'd teach her a lesson.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:51, Reply)
I’d subject her to a ‘gagging order’

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:51, Reply)
I'd fuck her.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:52, Reply)
In the arse

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:53, Reply)
Don't beat about the bush stunned,
just say what you really think.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:53, Reply)
Well,
all this "gagging order" malarkey.

I prefer her sister though. I reckon I've actually got a chance with her.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:54, Reply)
Her sister is uglier than my old work boots
and all this fuss about her arse? What fucking arse? There's nothing there.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:00, Reply)
*glove slap*
How DARE you, Sir? That's the future ex-Mrs Stunned you are talking about.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:01, Reply)
She'd never marry a jew. Unless you're one of the Rothschilds.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:04, Reply)
They say that.
They all want my magic mushroom.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:05, Reply)
Pippa Middleton is so fucking ugly and has such a shit arse
That you are probably in with a chance.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:10, Reply)
He means he'd be willing to experience carnal knowledge of her

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:54, Reply)
10/10

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:51, Reply)
Too right, old boy.
*adjust monocle*
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:48, Reply)
Interesting idea
Send all the potential cheap labour to the'provinces' so that some industry can perhaps be revived, with the added bonus that the aforementioned potential cheap labour is no longer available in London thereby forcing london labour prices up and hopefully making the whole place untenably expensive to live in, leading to a price crash. Then the self-centred smug cunts might know what it's like to build your life on a housing bubble.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:37, Reply)
Is this about the Millennium Dome?

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:41, Reply)
i just did some quick research and maths
2 million unemployed in the UK, population of london is 7 million

19% in social housing, approx 1.33 million people in london, if we use the national average unemployed to calculate numbers of those in london as a whole, let alone newham, i can't work it out but its a very small percentage of unemployed
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:42, Reply)
If you like it so much then why don't you go live there.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:50, Reply)
I FUCKEN LOVE STOKE

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:51, Reply)
Two words.
Robbie Williams.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:53, Reply)
Two more:
'Transubstantiation' and 'Eccles'.

I like this game!
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:57, Reply)
A further two
clitoris and carburetor.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:58, Reply)
Or even a carburettor

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:03, Reply)
Thanks. Fucking Yank spelling.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:04, Reply)
The clitoris is in Stoke
No wonder I can never find the fucking thing
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:06, Reply)
approx 38,570 unemployed in social housing as a percentage of the 1.33 million total
(i am aware that this is only an average and unlikely to reflect a true figure as the cahnces are more unemployed people live in social housing than the average)
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:51, Reply)

Population of London is 7,800,000. Total UK population is 62,262,000.
Working UK population is 33,600,000 which is roughly 54% of the total.

On this basis there is a working population in London of 3,900,000.
There are 2,650,000 officially classed as unemployed (though in reality the number is far hgher), this is 8% of the available working population. So 312,000 people in London are unemployed.

There are 240,000 people living in Newham. Assuming the level of unemployment is line with the national average then there are around 19,200 people in this borough who are unemployed.

So we can kick almost 20,000 cunts out to Stoke.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:54, Reply)
'Chompy?
That you?
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:57, Reply)
Watch it... some insults are just too much y'know.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:57, Reply)
I'm ashamed to admit
That my kids and my grandparents help make up a part of that 46% of the non working population. Lazy little fuckers. My eldest should be up a fucking chimney by now and my youngest has hands that are ideally sized for picking cotton from inside running looms. Its no wonder out economy is fucked when we have spongers who can't even claim they are in full time education getting everything just handed to them on a plate.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:57, Reply)
Hahahahahaha

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:59, Reply)
I'll rent one of your kids off you.
No promises on the return condition, like.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:00, Reply)
Do you want the smart one or the pretty one?

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:01, Reply)
Pretty.
I don't mind gobby (hur hur) but it gets old after a while.

"It rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets Daddy's hose again".
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:03, Reply)
£5 a week?

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:04, Reply)
Bloody hell. Done.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:06, Reply)
The only question now is who pays whom?

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:08, Reply)
That reminds me
Tell your gran she's got to pay up by next week or they'll be no more back door action.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:09, Reply)
I've heard she's not worth the cash since her latest anal prolapse.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:12, Reply)
That sounds like a line from a gansta rap song

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:15, Reply)

her latest anal prolapse. she's dead.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:40, Reply)
I like rain.
It's been raining fairly non-stop since Monday. There are snails everywhere.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:43, Reply)
Foreign snails, sponging off the hardworking locals?

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:44, Reply)
She's Australian
The "locals" are all sniffing petrol on reservations.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:46, Reply)
Sadly very true.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:47, Reply)
Did you know that some abo towns have had to ban the sale of alcohol?
And others have moved the women and children to different villages to stop the blokes killing them when they get pissed.

Just like where you are from, in France.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:49, Reply)
OMG it's a racist

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:51, Reply)
zut alors!

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:52, Reply)
Fuck off back to france froggie

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:54, Reply)
That's aboriginal.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:56, Reply)
Morning, Jeff

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:56, Reply)
Ha ha.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:58, Reply)
Hahaha

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:51, Reply)
Nope, just being food for the Owl that lives on campus.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 9:46, Reply)
I like owls.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:19, Reply)
Unrelated
But my Kid got in to our first choice school which is great because the other two on her list were Godbotherer schools that my wife put down without asking me first.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:04, Reply)
You've got three special needs schools near you?

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:05, Reply)
They're actually just windows.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:07, Reply)
We prefer the name spaz schools please

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:08, Reply)
Rain IN APRIL?!?!?
I think the problem is two fold;
1: Not enough housing in london
2: Commuting in and out of london is either shit or expensive, if commuting from Reading/MK/Northampton/Luton/Guildford was under an hour and about £1k-£2k a year people wouldn't be so desperate to live within the M25 freeing up housing.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:17, Reply)
Reading is a bout half an hour if memory serves
but that's to Paddington, getting across London from there takes longer.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:19, Reply)
It's also about £4k

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:21, Reply)
That I would not know, but it doesn't surprise me.
It's probably down to privatisation, or Thatcher or summat like that.
(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:23, Reply)
You seem less committed to the cause than you used to be.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:30, Reply)
Not really, just more dispirited about things getting any better for the foreseeable.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:37, Reply)
I just got called suave.

(, Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:43, Reply)

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