By and large I agree with you.
I firmly believe in nationalised social welfare and that the rich owe an obligation to support less fortunate people.

Buuuut I also believe people should be able to enjoy what they've worked for and that Labour are a bunch of cunts.

*shrug*
( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 14:48, 2 replies, latest was 10 years ago)

i don't see why people that are capable of looking after them selves should have to prop up those to stupid or feckless to survive alone

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 14:49, Reply)

Basic humanity, Nakers.
But in should be in proportion. This business of it being more lucrative to stay on benefits than to work for a living is patently ridiculous.
( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 14:50, Reply)

pffft

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 14:52, Reply)

A situation that doesn't exist on any meaningful scale.
which bit of "the people getting fucked over the most are the people most likely to believe the lies they're being sold, that it's all the fault of some benefit scrounger" did you not understand?

This is what so frustrating, people like you who are too fucking stupid to see what the actual problem is, and instead get all worked up about things that contribute fuck all to the overall situation.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 14:53, Reply)

Half the welfare bill is pensions
If you stopped all unemployment type benefits tomorrow you'd not even put a tiny dent in the welfare budget.

Or are pensioners scroungers too?
(localboy purveyor of pisspoor puns, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 14:56, Reply)

They will ultimately be next, yes.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 14:57, Reply)

not atb all
but the system was devised around average life spans in the 20s and needed to be updated with people working longer and contributing more. It makes perfect sense, but whaaaaaaa unions etc don't want to work longer so took strike action.

just another example of the lefties not taking responsibility for themselvbes
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:00, Reply)

Ah right, cool.
See, this is why people think you're a cunt, Al. It's because you're a fucking cunt.
( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 14:57, Reply)

Actually it's one of the things I like about him

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 14:57, Reply)

He certainly stands out in a sea of alright yer

( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 14:58, Reply)

People like you may think that, but as you've amply proved yourself to be a fucking retard on multiple occasions, I'm not gonna lose too much sleep over it.

(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 14:58, Reply)

I agree, it is difficult to take somebody seriously when they instantly start calling people names when something's said they don't like.

( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:00, Reply)

prick

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:01, Reply)

hahaha!

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:06, Reply)

It's not about whether I like it or not, it's the fact that you're saying something which is simply untrue
but rather than accept that and change your opinion, you just keep repeating it.

Try saying it with me "Benefit Fraud has contributed in no meaningful way to the problems the economy has suffered".

That isn't an opinion, it's a fact. Saying it isn't true doesn't change the fact, but it does make you a fucking idiot, which is why, when you refuse to accept this truth and keep repeating the lie, there is no point in saying anything to you other than that you are a fucking idiot.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:04, Reply)

He's right though, there are a miniscule amount of people better off on benefits than they would be working.

( Peej, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:01, Reply)

I don't recall specifying numbers, which Al would have noticed if he was capable of reading. I said it happened.
That it happens at all is a stupid situation.
( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:03, Reply)

The stupid situation is how the media, politicians and the public alike all allow such non-issues to dominate the agenda

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:04, Reply)

That is indeed also stupid.
The two things, however, are not mutually exclusive. That it is being blown up into a huge issue is stupid, so is the original situation.
( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:06, Reply)

No, no it isn't
and if you weren't such a fucking idiot you could see why what you just said was fucking stupid.

No system that exists on the scale of our welfare system can operate with no fraud at all, but it can operate with very low, insignificant levels of fraud. And it does.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:05, Reply)

Yeah, I'm pretty much just going to entirely ignore your arguments.
Since you're incapable of making them without sounding like a total cunt.
( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:10, Reply)

That's an excellent attitude, and typifies exactly what I said originally.
Instead of just going "Well I've never been so offended in my life" why not actually address the very simple point I made, which is that benefit fraud is no a meaningful contribution to any ill effects in the economy, and that in order to have a system that helps the people that need it 99% of the time, you have to help people that don't 1% of the time.

Or do you not actually have a response to that?
(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:12, Reply)

If you actually want to change peoples' minds, you should probably talk to them rationally
rather than frothing at the mouth and name calling. It doesn't make you look terribly stable, old chap. Rather worried that you might have some kind of mental condition. Do you live in an area with high lead pollution levels?
( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:14, Reply)

I don't care if I change your mind at all.
And everything you are writing simply reinforces what I'm saying, I dare you to suggest your are simply trying to troll, because as I said below, being stupid and not having a valid argument is not the same as trolling.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:17, Reply)

OK, so when you argue about topics like this, you're not trying to change anybody's minds.
Rather, it's simply an opportunity to rant at people and call them stupid?

I do apologise, you're sounding more stable by the minute.
( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:19, Reply)

You have demonstrated that you are unable to change your mind, and are therefore an idiot.
You are as bad as someone who believes in homeopathy.

Come back with an argument against what I've said above.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:21, Reply)

What's the point in coming back with an argument
when you've proved yourself unwilling to try to change any minds? You rant and rave, seemingly for your own amusement. There is a significant difference between being unable to formulate an argument and change opinions, and being unwilling to pay any attention to a ranty, foamy-mouthed prick.
( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:26, Reply)

Because if you actually came back with a defensible argument it would show that you weren't an idiot
but you can't, because your only argument is "benefit fraud is really significant and it's vital that it cannot happen ever", which as I've said is both an impossibility and an argument born of considering all other human beings who aren't as lucky as you to be beneath you and unworthy of assistance.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:30, Reply)

What's sad is how many of these traits you claim to despise
you display yourself.
( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:33, Reply)

Can you please list these traits?
Because i've only pointed out one trait, singular, and if you can provide evidence that I actually look down on people who claim benefits for whatever reason then I'd love to see it.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:35, Reply)

I see
but then a lot of stupid things happen everyday that are ridiculous but happen so little people don't really pay it much mind, but evil benefit scroungers are front page news and on TV despite the fact they really aren't causing harm to the economy.
( Peej, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:06, Reply)

Bit of over-simplification going on there
And supporting less fortunate people isn't really enough.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 14:49, Reply)

why are they less fortunate, surely they are simply less capable?

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 14:50, Reply)

Man hands on misery to man, it deepens like a coastal shelf

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 14:52, Reply)

Are you suggesting we should let bent spastics die?

(localboy purveyor of pisspoor puns, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 14:53, Reply)

I think he's at least part trolling

( Peej, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:03, Reply)

^

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:05, Reply)

Of course he is.
It's easy to troll Al.
( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:05, Reply)

HAHAHA YEAH I DUN A TROLL ON YOU ACKSHUALLY
It's not trolling when you are actually just stupid.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:06, Reply)

I didn't say I was trolling you, I said Nakers was.
You really do have difficulties with very simple comprehension, don't you?
( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:08, Reply)

Care to actually address the argument, or are you too busy rolling on the floor like bella trying to tie your shoes?

(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:13, Reply)

Well, you've pretty convincingly swayed me to Nakers' viewpoint, actually.

( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:17, Reply)

So you don't have anything to add to the fact that you are stating lies as facts.

(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:21, Reply)

I don't have anything I care to add, Al.
If you can't have a discussion without slagging people off, then you are beneath contempt.
( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:27, Reply)

This is about the most tragic thing I've seen you write.

(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:28, Reply)

You should get into American politics.
You'd fit right in on a Fox network-style political debate.
( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:31, Reply)

You should actually learn about things before you mouth off with untrue statements
It's not my job to gently inform you of everything that goes on in the world.

This entire things started with me saying that I found the whole situation incredibly depressing because so many people don't bother to listen to reasoned debate and instead blame benefit scroungers.

You then came along and did exactly that, and you wonder why, once i've pointed out that you're wrong, I have nothing left to say but that you're the kind of idiot that makes me depressed about my daughters future.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:34, Reply)

I don't take issue with being proved wrong.
I take issue with your fucking attitude, which is easily one of the most disgusting I've encountered. You talk about people looking down on others and then freely do the same. You talk about swipe being allegedly pleasant and personable in real life and a twat on forums and then display precisely the same behaviour, with precisely the same "he's nice in real life" statements made about you. You say you don't care about changing peoples' minds, yet berate me for what you erroneously see as me being incapable of changing mine.

You're a deeply unpleasant character, from what I see. Worse than that, you're a hypocrite. I see absolutely no point in engaging with you on any sort of topic because you're completely unbearable to talk to.
( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:44, Reply)

Oooooooh.

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:48, Reply)

I didn't say I didn't understand why swipe was a twat on forums
I said I couldn't square her attitude to other human beings in general, which she holds both on and offline, with the fact that when you meet her she is friendly.

It's not just her, a lot of people are perfectly nice when you talk to them face to face, but swallow the lies peddled that someone else is getting something for nothing and it's making their life harder.

It's an attitude I don't understand, I don't like, and, since it seems impossible to change, I find very depressing.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:51, Reply)

Also, I don't care about changing your mind, because you've proved yourself to be an idiot incapable of listening to reason
I'm happy to engage to debate with anyone, but what I'm not going to do is waste my timing justifying your position in this situation by implying it is merely a differing opinion to mine, rather than, as it is, the thoughtless blithering of an idiot.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:54, Reply)

psssst
clue: sometimes i say things that i don't really mean online. for shits and giggles.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:58, Reply)

YOU TERRIBLE TROLL

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:00, Reply)

stirring isn't trolling!

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:07, Reply)

Of course there was, it was a two line forum post, not an essay.

( Kroney, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 14:51, Reply)

Yeah alright, fair point

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 14:53, Reply)