Nice to hear all these stories of what great people the police really are.

Tell you what pisses me off about all those times a cop gets caught on film kicking the crap out of some guy. It’s the 10 other members of the force standing around letting it happen, who “saw nothing”.

Out of the 20 or so who saw Tomlinson killed how many came forward. None. Senior officers colluded to produce the story that he’d had ‘no contact’ with the police. It’s not a few bad apples, they’re corrupt from top to bottom. The number one concern of the police is looking after the police. If that means people get beaten, fitted up, killed they’ll let it happen.

Individually some of them are OK. As a group, they’re pretty much all cunts.
( Ring Of Fire A petty, drooling belming butthurt retard., Fri 6 May 2011, 14:04, 25 replies)

So ... just like the rest of humanity, then.

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Fri 6 May 2011, 14:12, closed)

Yes exactly
if the rest of humanity were in charge of law and order
( emvee cruor deo cruoris, Fri 6 May 2011, 14:48, closed)

Yup. Many people will stand by others in their tribe when they've committed crime.

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Fri 6 May 2011, 14:56, closed)

Which makes it perfectly ok when those who are paid a generous salary to uphold the law break it for their mates

( emvee cruor deo cruoris, Fri 6 May 2011, 15:40, closed)

Not at all.
It's not OK for anyone to break the law. That's the idea. But holding the pigs/filth/scum up to a higher standard than others because they get paid to enforce the law is ridiculous.

Just like the rest of people, as pointed out above, some coppers are nice, but maybe as a group you think they're cunts.

Personally, I appreciate the job they - and most people in the public services - are doing - whether or not there are some bad apples.

They're the first people I'd call if my girlfriend was raped, for example, or my flat broken into, or if I was beaten up. I'm glad to see them arrive when there's a roving gang of youths about looking like trouble.

Mind, I grew out of the fashionable crying about being repressed pretty well immediately on entering the working world, mind.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Fri 6 May 2011, 15:50, closed)

How is expecting a cop to give an honest witness statement, if they see an assault or killing, holding them up to a higher standard than anyone else?

( Ring Of Fire A petty, drooling belming butthurt retard., Fri 6 May 2011, 16:26, closed)

It's not.
But likewise one expects family members to give honest statements against other family members, or friends against friends, etc. Ever heard the term "Wall Of Silence" used?
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Fri 6 May 2011, 16:33, closed)

Yeah, it's used by the mafia and other criminal organisations.

( Ring Of Fire A petty, drooling belming butthurt retard., Fri 6 May 2011, 17:06, closed)

Yes. And by families on estates all over the country.
Like I said, the human race as a whole is basically a bunch of cunts. Pointing at anyone in particular for being so is a bit pointless.

Next up, doctors are all alcoholics, nurses slags, bin men stupid.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Sat 7 May 2011, 10:10, closed)

Thankfully my girlfriend's never been raped
but on those occasions when my flat has been broken into, or I've been beaten up, mugged, or there's been a gang of youths outside (having just broken our windows and thrown fireworks through them) the police have been about as much use as a minge in a gay bar. These days I wouldn't even bother lifting the phone.

And yes, I think it's perfectly acceptable to hold those paid to uphold the law to a higher standard than the rest of us. It's like me turning in sub-par websites and claiming that it's ridiculous to expect me, a professional web developer, to have a higher standard of coding than the average Joe.
( emvee cruor deo cruoris, Fri 6 May 2011, 16:34, closed)

Not really.
The police are employed to uphold the law, not be above it. They have particular clauses in their contracts regarding the stress of their employment which takes into account the environment in which they work. Just like soldiers in that respect.

Sure there are some bad apples. Sure there are some nice ones. Sure as a group you think they're cunts, and from first hand don't like them because of bad experiences. The same can be applied to the whole of the human race.

I suppose I just don't get all the fashionable hardmanning of ACAB etc - it seems rather pretentious to me, considering the stability and liberty of our society. They're only humans. Many of them did actually join to try and help.

But each to their own.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Fri 6 May 2011, 16:46, closed)

"The same can be applied to the entire human race"
Not really. Else I could say "nursery nurses, what a bunch of cunts", or "bartenders, what absolute wankers". Neither is the case. Police, on the other hand, whether through self-selection or perhaps through the pressure of the job, really are just a bunch of cunts.
( emvee cruor deo cruoris, Fri 6 May 2011, 16:51, closed)

You could indeed say "nursery nurses, what a bunch of cunts" or "bartenders, what absolute wankers"
and it would be equally facile and consequently ridiculous. I've been a bartender and for sure I'm an absolute wanker, and I'm sure you've been a nursery nurse.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Sat 7 May 2011, 10:08, closed)

To be fair, if you really are as much of a victim as you claim it's your fault for living in such a shit area.
You shouldn't blame others for the results of your own irresponsibility.
( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Fri 6 May 2011, 21:08, closed)

Self-fulfilling apathy
"These days I wouldn't even bother lifting the phone."

Hey presto - falling crime figures!
(The Jannie, Sat 7 May 2011, 17:43, closed)

Institutional cuntism
has a ring to it. Macpherson report first draft?
(sarcastic fringehead feet of clay, buns of steel, head of lettuce, Fri 6 May 2011, 14:21, closed)

If you saw a collegue kick the shit out of a customer...
What would you do? Dive in and risk getting the crap kicked out of yourself and/or charged with assult...or sit back, bury your head in the sand and go home without blood on your shirt?
(Bushcricket, Fri 6 May 2011, 14:56, closed)

Also, if the police start fighting amongst themselves, then they might as well not exist.
We need boundary-keepers. Of course, here in Britain we're lucky enough to be able to scream abuse at them and only expect a bit of a thwack in response. In some countries it will get you shot. But whatever.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Fri 6 May 2011, 14:58, closed)

I don't know about you.
But if I saw an assault taking place I hope I would have the decency to attempt to prevent it. The only reason I would have cause to worry about being charged myself would be if the police were corrupt or incompetent. A colleague was almost charged with assault for doing this and I admire him greatly for it.
As to there being no point to police if they argue amongst themselves -- the police are paid and sworn to uphold the law so they should arest any violent scum they see beating anyone and stand upp in court to condemn them.
Perhaps then we'd have more police taking their job seriously.
Edit: If I get a bit pissed off or scared by an intruder in my home and do something "not appropriate" I could be jailed -- the police could get off or loose their job. How's that for double standards?
(Me, I'm not... in any way intoxicated, Fri 6 May 2011, 18:29, closed)

I don't know about you, but
If some of my colleagues that I'm relatively close to had been taking abuse screamed at them all day from a bunch of fucking students, or pretentious tits calling themselves "anarchists" (that's right - smash the system, just make sure you don't burn down the fucking dole office you wankers) then I don't think I'd blame them if they decided to have a bit of a pop.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Sun 8 May 2011, 10:25, closed)

Isn't this compounded by a reporting problem?
It's only these really shit cases that get reported, therefore that's what we see. We don't see PC Local on the news, sorting out the drunken idiots in my street all by himself. (See posts passim.)
( Amish Information Systems hates misplaced, commas, Fri 6 May 2011, 17:06, closed)

You know,
there's been, I dunno, 60+ years of social psychology research, that tends to prove the old adage 'power tends to corrupt'. There are a bunch of different factors involved, and we know to some extent how to fix some of these issues.
Probably, not enough is being done at a systemic level to make the system work and make it easy for the people in the system to do the right thing.
( Sextant goes to him is emotionally erect, on this day, Fri 6 May 2011, 17:14, closed)

There are plenty of cases involving officers reporting the misconduct of other officers. In any case - unless you're arguing that the police actively recruit sociopaths, you're simply bumping up against the less endearing aspects of group psychology - people within a group tend to identify with the group, and actually perceive its members' actions in a more positive light than those from without.
( Happy Phantom has been to Hastings, Brighton, and Eastbourne too, Fri 6 May 2011, 17:26, closed)

Yes, and the police DO get held
to a higher standard these days e.g. the scum who was coercing female suspects (many addicts/prostitutes) for sex, often violently. CCTV from cells contributed to his conviction, demonstrating that his fellow officers acted against him. He got life, which I think is rare for rape.
A dishonest officer i.e. taking bungs from criminals is likely to serve time A civilian taking bribes from clients would be sacked.
Obviously all the cases that get covered up won't be known about by definition, but plenty of employers would equally seek to avoid negative publicity,
(sarcastic fringehead feet of clay, buns of steel, head of lettuce, Fri 6 May 2011, 19:28, closed)

Don't get upset, but...
...emvee - one, A Vagabond - nil.
Except that I don't think all police are a bunch of cunts. That would be policist.
Let's call it a draw. Or not.
(emadex thinks the world will end on, Fri 6 May 2011, 17:58, closed)