I'm sure at that point the 52% will prise their fat arses up and take to the streets
Unless X-factor's on
(, Wed 24 Aug 2016, 13:11, Share, Reply)
This comment was brought to you from comfortable stereotype land.
You don't have a problem with him ignoring the democratic will of the people?
Leaving the UK stuck in limbo is the worst of all options.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 24 Aug 2016, 13:36,
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this comment was brought to you from Cornwall,
the county that voted to leave but was on the phone to Westminster the day after to enquire if its EU subsidies were safe
(, Wed 24 Aug 2016, 13:43, Share, Reply)
Dodging the question a bit there arn't you?
Are you happy with a politician stating that he will fight "tooth and nail" to block a decision that was voted for by public referendum damaging the validity of future referendums and leaving the UK in a state of limbo damaging jobs?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 24 Aug 2016, 13:49,
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politicians will say stuff that they think will win them elections
We now have a slightly better idea of what Brexit will actually mean and the utter bullshit that was thrown about in the first campaign. Suspect some of the 52% (the higher functioning ones who can tie their own shoelaces) might have changed their minds.
(, Wed 24 Aug 2016, 13:57, Share, Reply)
I'm not sure you understand what he's asking for.
He's saying he'll block Article 50 in the commons unless the negotiated proposal is put to the public either in another referendum or as part of a general election.
He has the numbers in parliament to carry out this threat.
The EU will not begin negotiations until until article 50 is invoked.
So how can it be put to the public when there isn't one negotiated?
And as for people changing their minds, maybe some who voted remain because they were fed bullshit from remain will change their minds?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 24 Aug 2016, 14:10,
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that's fine, if he's got a majority. It is after all what we elect these people to do
If he's miscalculated he'll take a battering at the next election and the tories will push it through
(, Wed 24 Aug 2016, 14:27, Share, Reply)
The next general election is in 2020.
A lot of damage will be done to the country if we have to wait that long.
And again, there's no proposal that can be put to the vote because it doesn't exist until negotiated with the EU.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 24 Aug 2016, 15:09,
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negotiations will be a massive protracted ballache that will cost billions we dont have
I think both sides of the debate now accept this. By 2020 they should have decided what tea and coffee making facilities the negotiators will need and will be moving on to who's going to take the minutes
(, Wed 24 Aug 2016, 15:23, Share, Reply)
Are you trolling or just being obtuse?
Smith says he will block article 50 until the deal has been voted on.
Deal cannot even begin to be shaped until article 50 is invoked.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 24 Aug 2016, 16:05,
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my point is that it wont be sorted out for years regardless of when article 50 is triggered
Bear in mind that it's not just Brussels we have to strike a deal with, it's every other entity we want to trade with. This damage you're claiming will happen is an inevitable consequence of the first vote. Pretty much the entire political class has known this all along apart from a few crackpot Tories who think that getting our black passports back is more important
(, Wed 24 Aug 2016, 16:11, Share, Reply)
So big important thing will take years (we have 2 to actually do it) so it's ok to wait even more years before we even start the process?
Ok....
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 24 Aug 2016, 16:15,
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my guess is it wont happen
Boris and the rest of cunt squad have been set up to fail. Suspect the Labour party of 2017 will be a different, smaller beast anyway so its support or otherwise for Brexit will be immaterial
(, Wed 24 Aug 2016, 16:22, Share, Reply)
Well, the validity of the Brexit referendum is surely a bit questionable.
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rofl harris, Wed 24 Aug 2016, 15:06,
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Not this shit still
Its like listening to the tea party lot still banging on about Obama years later.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Wed 24 Aug 2016, 16:53,
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A democracy is where you vote representatives in to make decisions.
Referendums are plebiscites - an entirely different kettle of fish. Hitler quite liked them.
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buffet_the_appetite_slayer ٩(●̮̃•)۶ jacked in to the ICE on, Wed 24 Aug 2016, 14:43,
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That doesn't sound right at all.
For a start a referendum and plebiscite are not the same thing. The Brexit vote was indeed a plebiscite and not a referendum, but representative democracy, referendums, and plebiscites are all forms of democracy, therefore a plebiscite is democracy. What the fuck has Hitler got to do with it? Are you saying that plebiscites are bad because Hitler quite liked them? That makes no sense at all. Surely the basis for whether or not a thing is bad is the intrinsic nature of the thing, rather than someone else's opinion of it.
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The Awful Puppy Bakery is still bored, Wed 24 Aug 2016, 15:38,
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Yes
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- sorry about the shit answer to your question(s) but that's about as good as it gets in a referendum I'm afraid.
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