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This is a link post Horrible sexism or professional offence taking?
*Offense. Fuck sake.
 (BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 15:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post bit of both.
but these are symptoms not problems. The gorgeous one is aimed at little girls, who are more interested in being pretty than smart because of the all-pervasive media messaging that programs them. The 'smart' one has presumably gender-neutral content, even if there's a boy on the front.
 (I helped save b3ta! feckler https://twitter.com/LeonardEctric1, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 15:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post no...
they are more than symptoms, they are part of the 'all-pervasive media messaging'. and why do you suggest a symptom is not in and of itself problematic?
 (itilliterate, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 15:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post oh maybe it is.
but these are a response to a need created by TV/magazines/cinema/billboards etc.

If these things didn't tell girls they need to be pretty as a priority, there would be no market for this book. It's a response to the mass media-driven urge rather than the creator of it.

edit: I've reconsidered my argument. These books are necessary because girls are ugly & boys are stupid.
 (I helped save b3ta! feckler https://twitter.com/LeonardEctric1, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 15:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post chicken/egg debate this aint...
gender stereotypes existed long before 'TV/magazines/cinema/billboards' ever did.
gender is a social construct that is reinforced by whatever the current means of mass communication is.
 (itilliterate, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 16:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post Err...
I'm fairly sure "Gender" is a construct based on your chromosome make-up.
I think you may be looking for a different word.
 (I helped save b3ta! Kerrisis There's someone in my head, but it's not me., Fri 8 Feb 2013, 16:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post no...
sex, i.e male or female, is biological, or 'based on your chromosome make-up'.
gender is a social construct.
trufax.
 (itilliterate, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 16:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post Do no animals
display gender-specific behaviour, then?

eg are male and female animals always as aggressive as each other?
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 16:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post anthrrpology 101...
no of course not, they don't have sophisticated societies that invent and impose social constructs. they don't have religons, politics, philosophy etc either. gender is not a term that should be applied to them.
if the midwife asks 'would you like to know the baby's gender?' tell her to fuck off and tell you the sex. the baby can pick its gender and be a tranny or whatever when it decides what it wants to be.
 (itilliterate, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 16:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post or music
animals are idiots
 (Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 16:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post How do you explain
gender differences that occur before people have any awareness of society, such as the way boys are four times more likely to have autism than girls?

There isn't a binary system to behaviour, so saying "all girls like this" and "all boys like this" is ridiculous, but males on average are, say, more prone to violence (and that is the case in the animal kingdom too). Thinking that gender plays no role at all in personality, just physical shape seems like wishful thinking.

I will have to say "citation required" to you as what you are saying doesn't match anything I have ever read.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 16:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post Of course,
"the baby can pick its gender and be a tranny or whatever when it decides what it wants to be" is only the case if people do choose their sexuality, which is a common argument used by the homophobic.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 16:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post if you are trying to accuse me of subtextual gay bashing...
then i am shocked and appalled. i think i am being super uncharacteristically right on in my whole 'gender is a social contruct' tub thumping. it's a basic socialist/marxist tennet.
P.S. you are poofter.
 (itilliterate, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 16:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post No, I think you are being very liberal
My example was just to show that proving "everything is a choice" is not really a good liberal aim.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 17:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post i think our argument comes down to this...
you think the word 'gender' is synonymous with the word 'sex' in terms of biologically differentiating between men and women. i don't.
women often have long hair, wear make up and lots of jewelry.
men often have short hair, wear no make up and little or no jewelry.
this is not because one has a vagina and the other a penis, there is no biological determination for it. it is a gender imposed social construct.
 (itilliterate, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 16:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post I would say you can only impose things
on pre-existing desires.

Sounds to me like you believe in the blank slate, whereas I think most of personality is genetic.

Do you think that if you raised kids in an identical manner, there would be no differences (taken on averages) at all based on gender? If so, I ask you whose theories you are going on there.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 17:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post i think the jury will never return a verdict on the whole nature/nurture thing...
it's a bit of both surely? pooffy pants. and anyway 'personality' is so multi-faceted that while i'm happy to accept that sexuality can be predetermined and is not a choice, although it surely can be, i think most or many of the most superficial, and therefore most obvious, aspects of personality are massively influenced by nurture not nature.
 (itilliterate, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 17:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post I say it is both,
but you seem to be saying it is entirely nurture.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 17:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post and i quote you.... 'I think most of personality is genetic'...
you mis-perceive me. all i was saying was that gender is a social construct and then you went and started talking about animals.
 (itilliterate, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 17:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well, I'd rephrase that as
'I think most personality traits have a genetic basis'. Yes, you need society to trigger them, and that is where I'd say social constructs come into it. However, I doubt society can create them.

I felt you were saying that there are no non-physical gender differences at all without society's involvement, hence why examples of it in the animal kingdom are interesting.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 17:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post Peacock feathers

(I helped save b3ta! mookay immune to icons since, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 17:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post Everything I have ever read recently backs up your argument
Men are more likely to be handymen or plumbers. Women are most likely to be bored housewives/stable hands. Then again I only read porn mags.

*sorry
 (I helped save b3ta! herd of chickens First part only £1.99 and comes with a free, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 16:55, , Reply)
This is a normal post Boom boom.

(I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 17:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post i thank you

(I helped save b3ta! herd of chickens First part only £1.99 and comes with a free, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 17:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hahahah

(I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger (1 like), Fri 8 Feb 2013, 19:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post You were right with offence
And it's the latter.

It's not publishers or shops responsibility to tell your kids how they should act.

I read plenty of Commando comics when I was a kid, and now I do all the cooking and ironing at home.
What does that tell you?

Bugger all, probably
 (I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 15:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah
but you also killed 45 German tourists in Stratford-Upon-Avon with a heavy machine gun mounted on the back of a Land Rover, so it's not all fun and games...
 (SnowyTheWereRabbit the Leporid from Hell, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 15:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post But he had immaculately ironed boxer shorts whilst doing it.

(MrOli is ugly, but in the morning you will be sober, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 16:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post I get so confused between Americanisms and correct spelling.
Offence refers to committing an 'offence' then?
 (BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 15:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post It's just an Americanisms thing
In English it's always offence, really.
 (SnowyTheWereRabbit the Leporid from Hell, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 15:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post Duly noted. Ta.

(BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 16:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post A bit of both
It would have been more sensitive of the publishers to put both a boy and a girl on the cover of the 'how to be clever' one, but it ain't the end of the world. And, unfortunately, the 'how to be gorgeous' one is inevitably going to appeal more to girls.

Sometimes people need to have a pause for a second before they start getting outraged.
 (SnowyTheWereRabbit the Leporid from Hell, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 15:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post looking at the list of 51 books with a positive message at the bottom...
wow there are a lot of shit children's books.
 (I helped save b3ta! miss fortunate last posted ages ago, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 15:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post
well there's a lot of shit children.
 (I helped save b3ta! feckler https://twitter.com/LeonardEctric1, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 15:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post good point.

(I helped save b3ta! miss fortunate last posted ages ago, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 15:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post Outrage on Twitter = load of old bollocks

(pissflaps. FSPW, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 15:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post spot on

(BumCoffee Portrait videographer, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 15:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post Twitter bollocks = load of old outrage
but what does jenny murray think?
 (itilliterate, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 16:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post Who the fuck is that? Sounds like a lezza.

(pissflaps. FSPW, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 16:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post
she's andy murray's mum.
 (itilliterate, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 16:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post Shocked and appalled?
Seriously?
 (I helped save b3ta! Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 15:55, , Reply)
This is a normal post Finding me in her house at 3am wearing only a grubby, faded pair of her pants = Shocked and appalled
Seeing a couple of book covers = irritated and annoyed.
 (I helped save b3ta! herd of chickens First part only £1.99 and comes with a free, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 16:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post Pity those who shop at Harrods.

(PhosphorBurnedEyes Swastika Shop opening here soon, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 16:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post The gorgeous one is proberbly no worse than Smash hits, just 17, Bunty or whatever girls read these days.
However,
i'ld love to meet the author of the other one.


Seriously why did it take nearly an hour for a b3tan to spot this?
*shakes head*
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 16:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hahaha

(BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 16:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post I know right? Everyones trying to earn their male feminist badge they've not spotted it.
and we all know why don't we?
b3ta.com/links/941366
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 17:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ghost Writer of the girls one is Jimmy Savile.

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 16:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post anything that leads to less ugly girls and less dipshit boys in the world
has to be a good thing, right?
 (Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 16:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post fewer

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 17:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post I went through my entire childhood
being told that girls are 'just smarter' than boys and 'do consistently better at school'.

Now, after all those years of teachers seeming happy to smugly accept that as fact, a book comes out trying to actually do something about that, and this happens.
 (Dyslexic Pidgeon, Fri 8 Feb 2013, 16:33, , Reply)