What's the big deal with the government requiring unions to have a 50% turnout to make a strike legal then?
Sounds reasonable, and yes, I'm aware voter turn out for elections is often lower than this, and is something that needs addressing, get more people involved in democracy, but I don't think it's a valid argument against asking for larger participation from union members.
If they don't give enough of a shit to vote, fuck the strike.
Edit: I've changed my mind a bit. Any rules put on union voting needs to be applied to government and possibly national voting as well.

Alt: something for everyone one else, if you're alone in the house, what's the first you do after a nice wank and clean up? Telly? Garden? Sweet silence?

Altalt: in before Beef says all union members are work shy cunts.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:00, 63 replies, latest was 10 years ago)

I'm all for banning them entirely.
Fucking flat cap pricks. They don't even wear brown coats or carry clipboards when they deliver my furniture anymore, much less tug their forelock and call me "guv".
( Kroney, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:03, Reply)

I have to deliver some settees in the morning.
I may need to pop out to buy such items beforehand.
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:05, Reply)

It ought to be law.

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:06, Reply)

make sure to buy some serviettes while you're at it

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:08, Reply)

I expect he'll put them in the lounge.

( Kroney, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:12, Reply)

with his couch

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:13, Reply)

I hope he has a "chippy tea" once he's finished.

( Kroney, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:17, Reply)

drinking tea made with a tea bag, from a mug.
With sugar added.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:21, Reply)

milk after tea, obvs

( Kroney, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:21, Reply)

powdered milk

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:22, Reply)

Living room innit

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:22, Reply)

No, it isn't

( Kroney, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:24, Reply)

No, it is

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:30, Reply)

Drawing room or sitting room.

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:25, Reply)

says the man from the land of straw floored hovels

( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:32, Reply)

Manchester?

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:37, Reply)

'"oats: a grain, which in England is generally given to horses, but in Scotland supports the people"

( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:51, Reply)

oats haven't been the staple diet in Scotland for a very long time, do keep up
And the French feed their cattle parsnips, I'm assuming you like a nice honey roasted parsnip, yet a different country use it as cattle feed.

Not sure what your point is here.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:56, Reply)

says the man who fucked off to a better part of the country as soon as he could

( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:56, Reply)

Now be fair, he didn't head straight to the good bit, he has stayed up in the grim north.

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:58, Reply)

it was because I was being forced to subsist on oats and live in a bothy

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:59, Reply)

haha, OLD

( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:01, Reply)

also, i fucking hate parsnips
who eats that shit?
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:02, Reply)

French horses.

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:05, Reply)

wow, you're even foodwrong about vegetables

( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:18, Reply)

FFS how can you possibly be wrong on ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING?
As I'm in a good-ish mood I will just assume that you're trolling.
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:20, Reply)

It's as if they don't revere the 'everyman' career in IT and see you as one of their own.
Which is completely unbelievable.
( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:08, Reply)

They should be able to tell from my post code that I'm not "one of them".

( Kroney, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:10, Reply)

I have a negro to assist me sometimes, he calls me 'boss'
But then he calls everyone that because he can't remember names.
( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:11, Reply)

I prefer a Sikh.
Good, hard workers, the Sikhs. Plus they're always so colourful.
( Kroney, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:13, Reply)

They do this for normal folk
Its only for pseudo French impotent pricks that they don't.
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:13, Reply)

Usefully my kids school have a teacher training day today
The day before 6 weeks off. This makes a change from the strike days they had the other week. Unions been on strike, I'm down on my luck

Alt:
Usually watch something off the planner if given unfettered access to the TV
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:04, Reply)

Why not do teachers training during school holidays?

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:07, Reply)

Marking, or some shit.
Plus that's the only time they're allowed to take actual holidays.

Plus they have one of those ghastly, Communist unions.
( Kroney, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:15, Reply)

What a load of crap.

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:20, Reply)

The assume the big deal is that a lot of people in unions accept that these decisions are made on their behalf
and as long as there is a quorum then the vote is valid, The gov trying to change this is a classic tory move, to alienate the unions in the public eye i.e. making it look like an invalid vote rather and deflect from an issue being raised.
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:16, Reply)

You're a quorum.

( Kroney, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:17, Reply)

you exercise you eat protein
protein - exercise...


Simple as that
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:20, Reply)

Nope, soz, I still don't get it.

( Kroney, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:38, Reply)

Mo Farrah advert

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:44, Reply)

Quorn ad with the Somali sambo medallist.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:44, Reply)

Oh right. I was thinking
"But Mo Farrah doesn't sound like 'quorum' and I can't think of any derogatory terms that sound like it, either".

Barking up the wrong tree all over.
( Kroney, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:48, Reply)

A shared disk on a cluster?

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:23, Reply)

Also great sentence structure there bonz you fuckwit

(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:22, Reply)

Voting rarely doesn't seem a big ask of members.

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:25, Reply)

You don't think volunteering to forfeit a day's pay and pissing off your employer during difficult economic times, when you are both struggling and in fear of losing your job is a big deal?

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:28, Reply)

He just said that didn't he?

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:29, Reply)

Y'know, I'm not sure now.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:30, Reply)

I never was, most of the posts so far are a bit 'tl;dr' for me, so I don't know what anyone has said

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:32, Reply)

alright

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:36, Reply)

^JUDBMLSP

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:39, Reply)

Clickin' dis

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:40, Reply)

boo fucking hoo
welcome to the private sector. or, as everyone outside 1970 calls it, the REAL world.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:33, Reply)

Ah yes, we should level down instead of levelling up.
Prick.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:33, Reply)

you look at union members and think that is going upwards?
what are you, an amoeba?
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:35, Reply)

I'm saying that it would be better for all these amazing benefits you believe public sector workers have to be extended to private sector workers, not vice versa
Do you really struggle this much with reading comprehension?
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:39, Reply)

no, i struggle with thinking that this is the way to build businesses
you're a small company, you can't afford to pay your staff any more/give them more holidays/private healthcare, but hey - they've all voted to make you close down for 2 days next week anyway. that'll make loads more money.

the post office strikers were classic. look, our employer's on its knees, let's kick the corpse a bit.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:47, Reply)

You think it would be bad for business to treat employees fairly?
Do you think that people enjoy striking?
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:54, Reply)

i don't care what they enjoy
it's work. you are there to do a job. if you don't like it, plenty of other people need a job.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:56, Reply)

That's true, there is always the option of living like a king on benefits.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:57, Reply)

i've seen that on channel 5
they are loving it
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:00, Reply)

I believe this month it is immigrants who are living the high life

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:12, Reply)

They vote by post I thought?

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:38, Reply)

I'm unclear as to what your original point was.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:40, Reply)

I have no problem with unions striking for fair pay if they can prove a majority of their members want to strike.
50% turnout seems reasonable.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:46, Reply)

But the point is the more governments legislate to undermine the unions, the less likely people are to turn out to vote.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:50, Reply)

That's the unions problem.
If they can't get support from the people they're sure to be helping, they're not great.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:56, Reply)

No it doesnt but a lot of members accept that the voters speak for them without having to vote.
My main point though is that it is a classic Tory tactic to deflect the attention away from the reason for the strike back onto the strikers to avoid having to deal with the cause.
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:29, Reply)

Too fucking right that a minimum of 50% of members need to vote. Most of these cunts are public sector workers or a version thereof e.g. tube drivers.
Most of the pay/pension structures that the unions are bitching about now weren't enacted by the Tories.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:39, Reply)

Oh they probably shouldn't complain then

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:44, Reply)

Well, they probably shouldn't blame people that weren't responsible just because they're Tories.

( Kroney, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:45, Reply)

don't be deliberately obtuse.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:05, Reply)

Well I don't understand the relevance of your point.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:10, Reply)

But the tories aren't the unions friends.
Calling it "a classic tactic" doesn't mean anything.
It's the tories perogative to keep unions at bay, and unions job to keep members engaged. That's politics.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:45, Reply)

Except the Tories have the power to change the rules, making it harder for the unions to keep their members engaged.
Look at young AA down there, he's grown up thinking that groups representing the interests of workers are somehow a bad thing.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:52, Reply)

I see.
Well, the government have been voted in by a majority, so that's what the people want from their government. But they're also from a low turn out vote. So, I guess I have to apologise and back track to, if you hold unions to a minimum vote, then you must also hold all elections to the same standard.

I still am not sure about unions, but I can accept that it should be one rule for all.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:59, Reply)

governments may have a majority of MPs but it's incredibly rare that they have a majority of votes.
And that's putting to one side the fact that a 40% turnout is good.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:01, Reply)

I understand that,
The way it works is not ideal.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:13, Reply)

The Tories got about 35% of the vote at the last election.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:02, Reply)

That's more than a third,
3 big parties plus independents, makes a majority.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:15, Reply)

The second party got roughly a third as well
Of a two thirds turnout.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:17, Reply)

10.7m voters out of 47.5m registered voters for the Tories.
In a country with a population of 64.1m.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:21, Reply)

Unions work to represent the interests of their members
Big businesses have far more influence over a lot of government policy than the electorate.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:03, Reply)

Fair point well made

(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:04, Reply)

It's just continuing the undermining of unions that began under Thatcher
I don't think union members don't give a shit, I think many of them are too scared to take action and many more of them have it ingrained in them that unions acting in their interests are somehow bad.
Support the strike.

Alt: Skin-up. Wank.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:17, Reply)

I don't see its undermining them, just asking for them to get their act together.
And worker opinion of union action is a union issue, not a governmental one.
The government are going to want to focus on sustaining services for as cheap as possible, and unions are there to get a good deal for their members, they're not meant to be mates. I don't think asking unions to do more to involve their members on their own futures is a bad thing.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:24, Reply)

But why don't union members put their faith in the power of the union so much?
Because of successive governments legislating to diminish their power.
You don't think this has an effect on new people joining?
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:26, Reply)

That's the game though.
The government are always going to try and curtail union action as it's costly.
If you don't want the government to do that, exercise your right to strike, or protest, and then vote when given the opportunity, both nationally and within your union.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:48, Reply)

But how can I if they reduce my right to strike?

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:55, Reply)

I'm with you there, but I don't think a vote minimum effects your right to strike.

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:02, Reply)

It's more about perpetuating the idea that unions are A BAD THING
I cannot possibly see how looking out for one another could ever be construed this way.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:07, Reply)

I know what you mean,
But I think governments are always going to be shitting on the unions, and I'm not sure the unions are doing enough to fight back. They live on this idea that they're for the worker , so the worker must love them. Whereas the worker is as open to government propaganda as everyone else, and the only way to fight back is modernise the unions. A poster on the back of a bog door is nothing against a government spin machine
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:10, Reply)

How will they fund this modernisation?

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:13, Reply)

The members should pay for it.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:15, Reply)

I don't know.

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:17, Reply)

I think perhaps part of the problem is the almost indentured nature of a union.
I worked for a school for a short period and I was very heavily leant on to join the union as the perception was that if I didn't, I was somehow betraying the rest of the staff. Unions seem to be hanging onto a perception of workers still being job-for-life, ill-educated and open to bully boy tactics.

I think perhaps modern workers are more mobile, more open to shifting around jobs and perhaps feel like the unions aren't relevant anymore. There's got to be a reason why turn outs for strike votes etc are pretty low and disengagement is usually the answer.
( Kroney, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:15, Reply)

Chicken/egg

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:16, Reply)

Don't really see how.
It's at least partly the union's responsibility to re-engage their members. They can't just sit back and say "well they need to re-engage with us, until they do we'll just assume they want to do what we want them to do".
( Kroney, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:20, Reply)

Sadly it's becoming increasingly less likely they will manage it as new generations enter the world of work believing there is something bad about unions.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:23, Reply)

Increasingly less likely?
Decreasingly likely?
Stupid language.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:28, Reply)

Because the only thing people outside of the union see
is when the union goes on strike. That inconveniences people and they don't like it.

Also public sector workers are less than 20% of the workforce. The large majority of the workforce doesn't have the right to strike and it pisses them off to see, say, teachers striking thus making working stiffs take holiday or pay for childcare.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:13, Reply)

Good point, comrade - the private sector should have greater rights too.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:14, Reply)

A-men to that, comrade.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:16, Reply)

I'd like to see better turn out in elections, both union and general.
I believe voting should be compulsory, but it should include the option 'None of the above'
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:08, Reply)

YOU CANT FORCE ME TO VOTE FACIST!

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:11, Reply)

Big brother knows what is best for you, comrade.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:13, Reply)

Don't know don't care
Alt: A big plop
( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:18, Reply)

hahaha
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28341980
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:23, Reply)

He's a smooth operator
smooooooooooooth operatooooooooooor
( Kroney, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:25, Reply)

I like the fact that his peers clearly think he's a prick as well.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:26, Reply)

how on earth did he get stuck in the loo?
Did someone break the lock so it wouldn't open once he was in there, forcing him to bang on the door and cry for help until he realised how futile his existence was in that he was stuck in a loo and no one gave a shit about it??
(Poppet some assembly required., Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:30, Reply)

He's a classic example of someone who was relentlessly bullied throughout his school life.
I see no reason for this to have stopped once he left school.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:31, Reply)

Old Gordonians are, without exception, fucking knobs

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:38, Reply)

^

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:39, Reply)

b3ta.com/questions/offtopic/post2327540
( Kroney, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:32, Reply)

Unions are useless pricks
Our union didn't bother it's arse about IT staff being shafted on our grades/salaries when we were being merged into 'Group IT', but instead decided to start a campaign to get a cash machine installed in the works canteen. There's an ATM about 100 yards down the road. Useless fucking pricks.

Alt: In the house? Not sure about the house, but I usually just get my shopping list back out and proceed to the frozen food section. Pro Tip: Always get your wank in before getting to the frozen food section - prevents your frozen stuff starting to melt while you're shaking hands with the bishop, and more importantly prevents a frostbitten cock. Bitter experience there.
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:27, Reply)

There should be bigger unions and more people should be able to join them.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:32, Reply)

Yeah 'civil' unions you bender

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:33, Reply)

That wasn't very civil :(

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:34, Reply)

You'd like people to be more civil would you? Like in civil unions? Bender!

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:35, Reply)

You hear about that chap on the plane what got shot down
what took a photo of the plane at boarding and posted it online saying "I hope this one doesn't go missing as well lol"

Well awkward.
( Kroney, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:44, Reply)

It's not missing though.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:45, Reply)

haha yeah, stupid Dutch prick. Bet he feels stupid.

( Kroney, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:45, Reply)

Its missing a few wings and a couple of engines

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:46, Reply)

It is. A plane took off, disappeared, and now a bloody pulp of metal and limbs appears. COINCIDENCE???? OR GOVERNMENTAL BLACK OPS?????

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:48, Reply)

Its all CGI and makeup
most of the bodies were amputees.
( Peej, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:49, Reply)

been done...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Scandal_in_Belgravia
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:55, Reply)

We do some work for a few unions
A couple of years ago, there was a strike that said that anyone that was a member of one of the unions in question could have a day off. In a shock to no-one, their weekly membership file was nearly 10 times the size the week that was announced. Take that how you will.

Alt: Beer and Skyrim.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:45, Reply)

That scared workers will choose to take a holiday rather than risk losing a day's pay?

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:47, Reply)

Because its not democracy is it.
More people voted for it than against it but we're going to take into account the people that didn't vote and assume they would have said no. Its bollocks.

And fuck voter turnout. How many MP's need to turn up to vote for a bill to pass? Fuck all.
( Peej, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:45, Reply)

Just to clarify, Unions are bollocks, but so is this 50% suggestion.

( Peej, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:46, Reply)

my books haven't arrived yet :(

( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:48, Reply)

\o/

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:48, Reply)

they're all on different orders because i kept seeing new things
which is rather daft from a postage/packing charge perspective, i admit. but the first one is on its way. "we have always lived in the castle." can't fucking wait, i've been meaning to read that for YEARS.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:49, Reply)

Why are you telling me? You know I think book is for queers.

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:51, Reply)

i thought you'd mock me for the posting thing

( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:52, Reply)

Did it cost me more money?

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:53, Reply)

maybe

( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:57, Reply)

*sigh*

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:58, Reply)

Good.
You insult me publicly on facebook when all I did was mock your half flat! I hope your books never turn up! How about that for mean.
( Peej, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:49, Reply)

oh, they'll turn up
they'll turn up alright. and i will post pictures of me throwing them at your picture. and i will laugh and you will cry and i will mock and you will beg and i will be merciless and you will plead.

tl:dr - mwa ha ha.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:50, Reply)

my books haven't arrived either -- if it's any consolation. 3-5 business days my butt.

(Poppet some assembly required., Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:51, Reply)

maybe tangles is running the business....

( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:53, Reply)

the filthy sneak.

(Poppet some assembly required., Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:54, Reply)

Probably shit books anyway, I read on the Internet that you're thick.

( Peej, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:54, Reply)

if it was on the internet
it must be true
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:57, Reply)

Well Dr Shambolic is a Dr and you're not Dr R Swipe are you?
So who is most likely right?
( Peej, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:59, Reply)

i suspect if there were to be a very narrow question on some concept of science, he would be
in every other area of life, i would be. christ, even you would be.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:01, Reply)

What do you mean "Even you would be"
I'm way more intelligent than you and can prove it with harsh comments about "Undesirable number 1"
( Peej, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:07, Reply)

Dont do business with your butt
Unless you are a hooker. In which case charge double
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:58, Reply)

I voted once, but I didn't get what I wanted
so now I don't vote and just bitch about it.
( Kroney, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:46, Reply)

I say bring back Thatcher

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:47, Reply)

So we can kill her again?

( Peej, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:48, Reply)

no, he just thinks that maybe a corpse woman would go out/sleep with him

( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:51, Reply)

I don't do gingers, soz

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:54, Reply)

you'd do a hole in the ground if you could bend over quickly enough
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:55, Reply)

but not a ginger one

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:59, Reply)

I don't do gingers either
I just de gingered my car because looking at it made me physically sick.
( Peej, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:07, Reply)

They call it "de-tangoing" on the "dub scene"

( Kroney, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:11, Reply)

got any dubstep mate?

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:12, Reply)

I still miss chompy :(

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:15, Reply)

I'm bored of this now, can we start having a 'right laugh' at some point?

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:16, Reply)

No, the internet is a serious business

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:18, Reply)

okay i will come back later

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:18, Reply)

I might go for a shit.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:23, Reply)

i too am bored of that now

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:22, Reply)

Sorry.

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:25, Reply)

I enjoyed it.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:27, Reply)

slag

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:28, Reply)

Me too.

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:28, Reply)