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This is a link post The Life & Death of Colonel Blimp
generally considered one of the finest movies of all time.

www.imdb.com/title/tt0036112/?ref_=sr_1
(I helped save b3ta! feckler https://twitter.com/LeonardEctric1, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post Cheers - will now get around to watching this!

(I helped save b3ta! Jabberwoc misses D.R. and Quinch, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 23:07, , Reply)
This is a link post A person doing less than a stellar job with his breathalyzer test
Not saying FAIL! Nope, not saying it.
(I helped save b3ta! simbosan liked your link on, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post Wondering
if he is still alive after 5 years...
 (robneymcplum spiced up his life on, Mon 18 Feb 2013, 0:34, , Reply)
This is a link post A happy - almost jolly
Imperial March (from Straw Wars)
 (I helped save b3ta! tubaman, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:33, , Reply)
This is a link post As it seems to be a slow evening on here
Have a dog doing a scooby doo impersonation.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tusk knows where you live, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:22, , Reply)
This is a link post An Australian recounting the abuse of a french girl on a bus. It has some footage of the actual incident.
Pretty bad tbh.
(hieronymus bosch pcmechanic 4ver in ar harts, goodnite sweet angle, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yay! Bus hatred!

(pissflaps. FSPW, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post still not as good as train hatred

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post Train hatred is the best.

(pissflaps. FSPW, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post Nah... tandem hatred tops them all.

(I helped save b3ta! mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post Lunchtime post office OAP rage tops the lot for me
It's the event of the day, that visit to the post office to collect their pension or something, and they do it in our lunch hour, and like a selfish cunt, turn in to slow mode because they are finally at the the counter. It's probably the event of their day, a financial transaction, and the chance for some casual conversation with some some face they are vaguely familiar with, from their weekly haunt fucking off people with jobs spending their lunch hour standing behind them making polite conversation about Daleks on stamps or something
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post I saw an OAP arguement in my local shop once... it went something like this
Woman 1 - Excuse me dear, I think you'll find I was next.

Woman 2 - No dear, I think you'll find I was next.

Woman 1 - No, DEAR... I was definitely next and then you pushed in.

Woman 2 - No you weren't DEAR, I've been waiting here 5 minutes.

Woman 1 - ...and I've been waiting here 10 minutes, DEAR!

etc...
 (I helped save b3ta! mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post I can't wait until retirement.
Want to really annoy loads of people.
 (pissflaps. FSPW, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post I figured that will be you :)

(I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post did you retire some time last year then?

(I helped save b3ta! LP, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 22:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post trufax in norfolk they have love tattooed on one set of knuckles and hatred on the other

(I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:55, , Reply)
This is a normal post haha
From what I can remember of Norwich was the road up from the train
station being full of cunts on a Friday afternoon/night.
 (BumCoffee Portrait videographer, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 22:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post sounds about right
except it was from friday till sunday night
 (I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 22:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post They have probably never left
Australia, so anyone who speaks or looks funny is treated with contempt.
 (BumCoffee Portrait videographer, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post Whilst I despise people being cunts
there's not a lot to go on with that video; just kind of take his word for it.

What was she singing in French, or something?
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post
There's a related video that shows more footage, including people saying some unambiguously hateful stuff, stuff that's not appropriate to say to someone who you find annoying or whatever... www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsWhGBgbUsc

edit: Same as you, I find videos like this kind of annoying because they don't do a very good job of giving enough context. He clearly had more relevant footage he could have used in the original video. Since it's now become it's own genre of viral video, these racist bus things now make me kind of suspicious.
 (I helped save b3ta! the prick of misery pierced my foot on a spiiiike on, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 22:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post You have the ultimate b3ta handle
It has been decided to award you with this great honour from the select committee of b3ta mice that live under my bed:


 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 22:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post haha oh my gosh
This is such an honor! I just want to thank God and all the kittens and all the folks on this internet site and my huge porn dungeon and...
 (I helped save b3ta! the prick of misery pierced my foot on a spiiiike on, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 23:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post *Peers up from porn dungeon*
Normal, carry on
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Mon 18 Feb 2013, 0:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post How many awards like this do you have?
I enjoy the R'lyeh one too, but do you have more?
 (I helped save b3ta! Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Mon 18 Feb 2013, 0:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post Do not push you luck
these awards are delivered where there is merit and a certain degree of blackmail

I feel it might be time to retire and enjoy my tobacco, plus some gore fest zombie movie :)
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Mon 18 Feb 2013, 0:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post it wasn't always thus.
the 2000s were a time of rising jingoism and flag-wavy bullshit under the long conservative reign of Howard. People like those above thrive in these conditions like mushrooms on shit. And sydney gets the shock jocks on radio stoking it up and blaming mcigrants for destroying traditional aussie values (beer drinking and sunburn), which the other cities like melbourne are blissfully free of, so most of this shit happens in sydney
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:26, , Reply)
This is a normal post I agree
I was in Oz in late 90's, loved it and especially Melbourne. Returned in 2001 or 02 and the swing to a more racist society was visible everywhere. Mostly anti-asian but not solely. I decided not to pursue residency.
 (poocheim No al calcio moderno, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post except this happened in melbourne, didn't it?
Melbourne used to be better, now they're exactly the same.
 (augsav forgot about B3ta, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 22:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post I have a portugese mate who lives in Melbourne
he was refused entry to a nightclub because they don't let Aborigines in.

He was meant to fucking dj there.
 (I helped save b3ta! gronkpan https://twitter.com/VomitingLarry, Mon 18 Feb 2013, 0:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post Colonial in being massive racist SHOCKER!

(I helped save b3ta! stuj (^(^;;^)^) GO TEAM SPIDERS!(^(^;;^)^), Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post
We learnt from the masters of the art in the old country
 (danthegpi, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post The Micks.
Yes.
 (I helped save b3ta! stuj (^(^;;^)^) GO TEAM SPIDERS!(^(^;;^)^), Sun 17 Feb 2013, 22:02, , Reply)
This is a link post Is this worth it?
I'm okay with the 'Buy it now' price but there's no way I'm splashing out on £1.20 postage.
 (SM46272845, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post In a 1000 years, maybe.
If it's still in good nick.
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post "Returns accepted"
Burn a copy and send the original back. You might have to pay the postage, though.
 (I helped save b3ta! MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post Open it?
What kind of crazy talk is that!
 (I helped save b3ta! Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post When hyperinflation hits us, everything will be this price.

(Victoria'sBeard Different political view? I hate you!, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post Only 2 available.
I better buy them both.

EDIT: Seems a common price structure for most of his items

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/firstrhythm/m.html?_ipg&_from&_nkw&_armrs=1&_sop=3
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger (1 like), Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post
Bloody capitalism!
 (SM46272845, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post For that price,
I'd want them all to come round to my living room and do it live. With actual lasers and stuff.
 (FartThroughAWalkieTalkie wished you were dead in ditch on, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post Is he baiting people?
You know, someone accidentally clicks buy now and then he thinks he has them legally tied to the purchase of the product?
 (BumCoffee Portrait videographer, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:12, , Reply)
This is a link post Hugh Laurie - Performing "Unchain My Heart"
I like Hugh Laurie, despite the fact that he still seems to talk and walk like house... :)
(I helped save b3ta! zacherynuk @echo off, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post I got his album "Let them Talk"
S'pretty good.
 (I helped save b3ta! Maffers I flow kinda strange like Spina Bifida footprints, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post Oooh that looks good.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_Them_Talk

*Looks for an easy way to purchase FLAC tracks*
 (I helped save b3ta! zacherynuk @echo off, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post Needs more whistling

(I helped save b3ta! MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post Looks too much like Nick Clegg.
Won't be watching.
 (pissflaps. FSPW, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post Have you had a falling out ?
You dirty homotician you.
 (I helped save b3ta! zacherynuk @echo off, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 22:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post That image is disgusting.

(I helped save b3ta! Jabberwoc misses D.R. and Quinch, Mon 18 Feb 2013, 0:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post I tolerated
being at a festival full of Tories just so I could photograph him. He was very good live.
 (I helped save b3ta! moogy boobles, Mon 18 Feb 2013, 1:09, , Reply)
This is a link post One for Whistling Sunday
Roger Whittaker with his Mexican Whistler. One of the few records my parents had...wierdos.

I have no idea why they decided to dress the set as a Hire Shop.
(I helped save b3ta! MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think whistling is making a come back.
IF NOT IT SHOULD.
 (I helped save b3ta! Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post The mp3 has killed the art of whistling on the bus.
That might not be such a bad thing, though.
 (I helped save b3ta! MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post We have scary whistling man
who walks past the house every day. He emits a low whistle every few seconds. Gives me the creeps!
 (I helped save b3ta! Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post Is he blind?
He might be echo-locating.
 (I helped save b3ta! MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post He may be punctured too.

(I helped save b3ta! Jabberwoc misses D.R. and Quinch, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post haha!
No he isn't blind Fronty, he is just old.
 (I helped save b3ta! Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post maybe his arse needs lubing to let the farts of properly

(I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post I've been actively practicing
whistling badly - just because it annoys a colleague of mine.

Favourite techniques are whistling out of tune and whistling the same 3 bars over and over again (particularly annoying as you don't finish a 4 bar phrase)
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post Are as out of tune as this lady?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMiRjOdO6QU
there are Whistling championships! Well I never!
 (I helped save b3ta! Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ow!
I've got a way to go before I can match her
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post This whistler lives round the corner from me.
davidmorris-whistler.com/
 (I helped save b3ta! MaxineBasset Betty Basset Bombs are Better, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:12, , Reply)
This is a link post Djesus Uncrossed NSFW
Django based Jesus baiting, made me smile...
(humanthing, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 18:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post Can't wait for the Mohammed baiting version

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post SONGS OF PRAISE ALLAH MORE LIKE

(Spleep Shit, or get off the internet., Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post Praise the beast

(pissflaps. FSPW, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:55, , Reply)
This is a normal post That had it's moments!
Not seen anything from SNL for ages.
 (I helped save b3ta! Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post I prefer
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkZ4Ui8izKk
 (BumCoffee Portrait videographer, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:22, , Reply)
This is a link post UFO saved Chelyabinsk,Russia!
Over dramatic music mixed with grainy footage
(BumCoffee Portrait videographer, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 18:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post That's all the proof I need
*puts on tin foil hat*
 (BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 18:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post its not the tin foil hat you need
its the tin foil gusset liner to save your unborn children thats wanted
 (I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 18:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post out of tin foil
*wraps head in cling wrap*
 (augsav forgot about B3ta, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post dont forget the breath..............oh to late never mind

(I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post In the Cold War
Would that meteor etc have prompted a nuclear response from USSR?
 (I helped save b3ta! The Scrunt Wants a Dozen Pints, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post No.

(Spleep Shit, or get off the internet., Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post Could you come off the fence, please, Spleep?

(I helped save b3ta! Jabberwoc misses D.R. and Quinch, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post I have posted this on FB as FACT
The trap is set... plan for massive 'friend' deletion starts now...
 (robneymcplum spiced up his life on, Mon 18 Feb 2013, 0:41, , Reply)
This is a link post celebrities who are the same age but one looks like shit and the other doesnt
couldnt a give a flying conservative about this lot but the olsen twins reminded me of a T-shirt i remember seeing that had ' i shagged the olsen twins before they where famous' on it
 (I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 18:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post That's a shocking picture of Florence.

(I helped save b3ta! Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 18:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post most are.

(I helped save b3ta! feckler https://twitter.com/LeonardEctric1, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 18:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post
yes, i don't mean to be mean, but she just has a very unfeminine facial bone structure. i don't think that's a particularly unflattering photo TBH.
 (itilliterate, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 18:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post She is a handsome woman
but not caught well can look a bit odd.
 (I helped save b3ta! Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 18:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post
but isn't describing a woman as handsome just a way of saying, a bit masculine looking but not unattractive, like 'statuesque'?
 (itilliterate, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 18:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post Is there something wrong with that?

(I helped save b3ta! Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 18:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post well, no...
but i think most women would not take the description 'handsome' as a compliment, because of the masculine connotations.
 (itilliterate, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 18:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post More fool them.
Handsome women are beautiful just in a different way to non-handsome women.
 (I helped save b3ta! Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post Who cares in all honesty
Most people would probably still shag most of them regardless how old looking they were, although I'm finding it extremely difficult to believe Florence Welch is 25. One seriously hard paper-round!
 (I helped save b3ta! Hardfarter Following through since 1978, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 18:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post she looks like her music

(I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 18:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post Her music is Noel Fielding?

(I helped save b3ta! Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Sun 17 Feb 2013, 18:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post jimmy hill.

(itilliterate, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 18:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post Macauley Culkin
Needs to play some baddy parts.
 (I helped save b3ta! zacherynuk @echo off, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post /\ looks like he has had a stroke/\

(I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post I don't know who most of those people are
Honestly, I don't.
 (SnowyTheWereRabbit the Leporid from Hell, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 22:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post Gah!
Cool, but I wonder if someone has been using my laptop or account? I'm getting some random items in Related to Items You've Viewed, etc.
 (BumCoffee Portrait videographer, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 17:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post I acquired a Kindle this very day
This should be an ample way to get it warmed up. Ta! :D
 (I helped save b3ta! Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Sun 17 Feb 2013, 18:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post I can think on no better unholy baptism.
Although totally shite as a writer I think he's loved because his imagination is just BONKERS!
Let us know what you think of your Kindle. I've just got the PC and Mobile apps. Both good.
 (I helped save b3ta! Jabberwoc misses D.R. and Quinch, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post Got a decent train journey next week, so it's going to get a good work-out then.
This was actually my second purchase, the first being 'Consider Phlebas', from Iain M Banks' Culture series. Now there's another writer with an extraordinary imagination (and he's not above using words like 'fuckwittery' in his books, which is also quite endearing.)
 (I helped save b3ta! Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post I love my kindle.

(I helped save b3ta! Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post I love mine even more
since I discovered www.gutenberg.org which has *loads* of stuff I want to read on it, for nowt
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post Doesn't it!
Mine is full, thanks to a generous friend. I do need to delete about 600 of them though. I had no idea Terry Pratchett wrote that many books!
 (I helped save b3ta! Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post My views on patchet
Are somewhat unpopular.
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post You don't like him then?

(I helped save b3ta! Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post No
I find him tedious, lazy, poorly written and woefully unfunny. I've tried and failed several times to get on with pratchet, but to be honest I'd rather stick rusty pins in my eyes

I'm aware this makes me some kind of freak in the eyes of the Internet
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post I consider Pratchett
Harlequins for geeks.
 (I helped save b3ta! omnitruncatedkraken from Empire Algol, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 22:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post I loved "Consider Phlebas".
Drink-driving spaceships is always a fun subject to read about.
 (I helped save b3ta! Jabberwoc misses D.R. and Quinch, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post I don't agree about him being bad writer, he is
just easy to mock and harder to appreciate on level beneath apparent superficiality of pulp fiction.
 (I helped save b3ta! omnitruncatedkraken from Empire Algol, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 23:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post I got the complete works of H.P. Lovecraft free on my Kindle - it only cost me my tormented unspeakable soul

(Victoria'sBeard Different political view? I hate you!, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post with tentacles

(Victoria'sBeard Different political view? I hate you!, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post Pfffft!
*edit*
Why is your soul unspeakable?
 (I helped save b3ta! Jabberwoc misses D.R. and Quinch, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post Good one
Now being downloaded. Cheers
 (I helped save b3ta! simbosan liked your link on, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:11, , Reply)
This is a link post Black Metal Interior Design
Bleating Apocalypse - my new favourite band.
(I helped save b3ta! ThunderThrust, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post hahahah excellent

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post Most excellent!!

(I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger (1 like), Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post Very good

(I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 17:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post surprisingly fucking brilliant

(I helped save b3ta! CysticSpazzGland has just puwked on your mum, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 17:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post Truely
both wonderful and terrifying at the same time.
well done
 (Captain Spacker I lick windows, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 18:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post hahaha!

(I helped save b3ta! Mousing, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 18:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post Bahahahahahahaa
This is fucking excellent :D
 (I helped save b3ta! gardenclaw mac fuckes your gradeds balls!, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post having spent months reluctantly
choosing curtains and things this pretty much expresses my current mental state
 (I helped save b3ta! SpunkyBackpack, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post Did you remember to sacrifice a goat?

(I helped save b3ta! ThunderThrust, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post I was going to write you apparently don't know what black metal is,
but it was funny, click.
 (I helped save b3ta! omnitruncatedkraken from Empire Algol, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 23:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post Haha excellent stuff!
I have added 'sacrifice a goat' to my todo list at line number 67, between 'Gloss lounge doors' and 'Replace kitchen worktop' (we will probably be looking at English Oak).
 (I helped save b3ta! moogman, Fri 22 Feb 2013, 14:04, , Reply)
This is a link post Quiet afternoon, have a CHOON. I made this!
I have posted this before but am trying to think of a video to go with it. When or if I do, I'll probably post it again.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post Nick Clegg.

(pissflaps. FSPW, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post Are you comparing me
to a rich, well educated man partially in control of an entire Country?
I don't think you tick any boxes there.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post partially in control of an entire Country? LOL LOL LOL
nice tune though.
 (itilliterate, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post I like your style.
Whereas Mr Clegg is a twat.
 (pissflaps. FSPW, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post I hate that song
but you made the best of a bad situation. *click*
 (I helped save b3ta! CysticSpazzGland has just puwked on your mum, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post That's the job!
I've sung some awful shite in my time, but people gave me money for it so my morals didn't really count.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post What's this art gallery you run?

(pissflaps. FSPW, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post i'd rather not say on here, lovely though B3ta is,
but you are welcome to Gaz me.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post Dats nice dat is

(I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger (1 like), Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post I tank you kindly.

(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post "I made this!"?
I'm assuming you're not Diane Warren here, but write your own songs. Nice voice and guitar, but why not use it to create rather than essentially doing karaoke?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Warren
 (835Rocks, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post I have written a few.
They are crap :) In the gigs I used to do, people wanted stuff they knew.
i kinda wrote this one: www.b3mused.com/audios/194/more-hills.html
 (I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 22:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post Aye.
That's what I'm talking 'bout. :-)
 (835Rocks, Wed 27 Feb 2013, 23:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post You have a wonderful voice, Sundae!
Beautiful!
 (I helped save b3ta! Jabberwoc misses D.R. and Quinch, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post Bit shouty but thank you

(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 22:35, , Reply)
This is a link post Whistle concerto
There should be a degree in this. Don't understand why it hasnt been academically recognised!
(glenbo, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 15:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post Degrees are so passé.
Shelf stacking is the new black.
 (pissflaps. FSPW, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post racits

(I helped save b3ta! gaijintendo Regular Member, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post His T shirt sickens me

(I helped save b3ta! CysticSpazzGland has just puwked on your mum, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post I want to burn it.

(pissflaps. FSPW, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post ^

(I helped save b3ta! omnitruncatedkraken from Empire Algol, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 23:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post all very good but given the occassion you'd think those in the audience could whistle better at the end

(Mehitabel_Itrang, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:50, , Reply)
This is a link post Half Hour Hotel - Run From Sirens I made this!
Little vid for my bands debut single Run From Sirens.
Featuring men in masks, lasers, explosions, snow, and indie music.
(JetModerno, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post Please excuse my ignorance
But what does 'indie' actually mean as a genre? Is it basically post-post punk?

Anyway. Good work and good luck with the single :)
 (I helped save b3ta! Fishcat Difficult difficult lemon difficult., Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post Indie was simply short for Independent label when it first popped up
but then the 90s happened and it became the name for all the godawful mainstream big label stuff (Blur, Oasis etc)

It's probably most often used for "guitar pop" now (emo with fewer black clothes)
Edit - which having now pressed play is exactly what I would call this :D
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post I realise genre labels are generally daft anway
But I've never been able to figure out 'indie' when people say that's the genre they like.

At least it makes me less irrationally annoyed than 'R&B'.
 (I helped save b3ta! Fishcat Difficult difficult lemon difficult., Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post ah, but do you mean R&B or R'n'B?
but yeah to me Indie still covers everything from weird bontempi organs in a bucket of vomit to thrash metal
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post R&B
Not rhythm and blues. Because it just isn't.
 (I helped save b3ta! Fishcat Difficult difficult lemon difficult., Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yep and even more perversely......
Rick Astley, Jason Donovan and Kylie Minogue used to top the indie charts every time they released their manufactured shite because Stock Aitken and Waterman created an 'indie' label for them
 (I helped save b3ta! Social_Faux_Pas, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 15:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post yep, them and Erasure competing against stuff like Flowered Up and Happy Mondays' "Wrote for Luck"
on the Chart Show on Channel 4 on a friday afternoon

Happy days :D
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 15:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post
Heya

We are self financed and self distributed on our own label so we hope that the true meaning of indie is still valid in our case :)

Anyways, glad you like to tune :)
 (JetModerno, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 15:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post You replied
Good move.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 15:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post It means fuck all.

(I helped save b3ta! Zuowan, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 15:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post Decent enough track
and an engaging video. Not really my cuppa but well put together.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hello!
Not bad, seems well produced. Not for me though, but thanks anyway.

6/10
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger (1 like), Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:31, , Reply)
This is a link post Skydiving .. 13000 feet up and ooops!

(Dew & Stumplings You aint seen me .. right!?, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 13:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post "That's disturbing"
Surprising comments there.
 (I helped save b3ta! Jeffrey44 (User was banned for this post), Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post So it was hypoxia the rendered him unconscious?

(I helped save b3ta! P-MONKE We're all fucked, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 15:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post Heh.

This numpty has rather deservedly attracted rather a lot of criticism from skydivers all over the world. He was jumping dodgy kit and flying video, which he knew he should not have been doing at that number of jumps. He is a douche because he is contributing to the media's perception of skydiving as some sort of crazy death game for nutters when in fact it is really pretty safe.

Tosser.
 (anvil, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 15:52, , Reply)
This is a link post What a bunch of cunts the Conservatives are.
Annoys me that even if you do everything their education system asks of you, they still manage to treat you like a prick.
 (BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 13:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post He hasn't done himself any favours
there.
 (BumCoffee Portrait videographer, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 13:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post George Obsbourne wouldn't work in Poundland.
That's for sure.
 (BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 13:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post their education system?
as for treating you like a prick, if you think having a job, any job, is worse than sitting on your arse, flicking the bean to jeremy kyle and becoming progressively less employable then that's your opinion.

I've interviewed and worked with several graduates over the last few years, the majority of whom think that somehow that bit of paper they drank their way towards makes them entirely capable of walking in to a well paying job and being treated like the dog's proverbials. In fact most can't organise themselves out of bed in the morning let alone actually being given responsibility in the work place.

We take a decidedly dim view of people with long periods of unemployment in my office. If you're struggling, take any job (and I mean any), if you're still struggling then volunteer.

Some people get treated like a prick because the hat fits
 (I helped save b3ta! JeremyBeadlesHands, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 13:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post Actually I think she's being treated like a prick by not being paid properly for the work she's done.
But thanks for your outburst.

IDS sort of reminds me of Stephen from Django Unchained. Treated like shit by his masters, yet somehow still in awe of the Bullingdon club. Perhaps he's been promised a nice house in the Cotswolds.
 (BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 13:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post ^this
Poundland obviously need the work done, yet they're not paying people to do it.

This scheme has turned the entire unemployed labour force into a vast pool of indentured servants. If you refuse to do your allotted job then your subsistence is taken from you - in contravention of Article 4 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 13:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post Article 4.
"No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms."

They were asked to work. They were receiving payment in the form of benefits. They could get out of this arrangement any time by getting a job.

This is manifestly not slavery, and comparing it to slavery is frankly pretty offensive when you consider that it is still a real issue elsewhere in the world.
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post To receive monetary benefits as payment for 'voluntary' work is against the law.
If she was being paid the benefits money for her work then she is in employment, and entitled to receive all the legal protection of an employee.
 (Victoria'sBeard Different political view? I hate you!, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post I could argue the point about who makes the law
and the fact that the courts didn't rule it illegal for that aspect, but hey, you know better about that don't you? However the fact you chose to make that point as a counter-argument to my saying it has nothing to do with slavery is... well... baffling frankly.
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post well, if that case has changed volunteering law then that's important.
The UDHR covers indentured servants. The person was neither a volunteer nor an employee. A volunteer gives their time voluntarily. They can work as little and as much as they want. In the case of community work as part of a court sentence, that free labour is not volunteer work. This person was forced to give free labour of a required amount because they were claiming benefits - the benefits were not given as a wage. And as they were placed into a profit-making company, this is slavery by another name.
If this case has changed the law, and volunteers can both be forced to work a required amount and can be given monetary benefits in payment for their work, then this will radically impact the voluntary sector and would create a loophole in the right to a minimum wage and other employment rights.
 (Victoria'sBeard Different political view? I hate you!, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post She was fucking volunteering.
This is the whole point of why this was a story.
 (creekon, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 13:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post is there a danger that someone could "volunteer" at a non job and still claim benefits
i.e. sit with their mate at a comic shop etc.

Just wondering, not basing it on anything I've read as this would be a logical reason to clamp down on the volunteer versus work - benefits thing.
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 15:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think the job needs to be approved/supplied by the job centre first
There's a fair bit of red tape. I was forced into free labour at a warehouse under the same rules 10 years ago. It was awful.
 (I helped save b3ta! mookay immune to icons since, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post The problem is that there is a shortage of volunteer roles in the charity sector
With a lack of jobs (especially low-paid part-time work), many students and graduates volunteered to gain work experience. The volunteer sector did not have enough volunteer managers nor charities to receive the influx.
This is why the volunteer work you will get is basically doing a paid job for free in the service of a profit-making business while being treated legally as a volunteer.
Businesses have already been criticised for abusing the economic situation by using unpaid graduate internships as a source of free labour.
 (Victoria'sBeard Different political view? I hate you!, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post ^^This
I have a degree in Chemistry, yet I never felt I was "entitled" to a cushy job when I left University with only a summer job at Electronics Boutique to show on my CV.

I have lost count of how many Oxbridge grads I have known who sulk and quit every job after a week because the people who run the company didn't offer them a managerial role after week one. I pity the spoilt generation who grew up under Blair and who think their human rights extend to doing what they like and getting rewarded for not killing themselves through their own stupidity by the end of the day.

If this scheme can get them into even a menial role, I think those of us who are paying for their living by actually doing some paid work would feel less inclined to label them all scavenging whingers. If it helps them get a job and gets them off their ivory towers, then how is it any different to the old YTS, after all?
 (Chad, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 13:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post
I do see where you're coming from, but if you look at it from the point of view of a state school student who does everything a Conservative education secretary would deem right, works incredibly hard, gets into Oxbridge without the aid of daddy's donation, slogs themselves on a cunting hard course and then comes out only for people like yourself and the gent above to tell them they're an aspirational cunt - I can sort of see both sides.

Oxbridge grads, as 'privileged' as they seem, do work fucking hard. The academic rigours of their courses put most other degrees to shame, quite frankly. My cousin got in from a state school to study medicine and her workload was insane. Most people in jobs wouldn't be prepared to do it, I'm quite sure of that.
 (BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 13:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post this gent above
was an aspirational cunt who worked hard, went to a good uni and has got a (reasonably) good job.

I've been there and done it, and I would never tell anyone they are an 'aspirational cunt' as you so eloquently put it.

Following your dreams is one thing, sitting on your arse till you land the job of your dreams is quite another.
 (I helped save b3ta! JeremyBeadlesHands, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post Apologies.
I worked hard, got into to a Russell Group Uni and, like most, had to take a minimum wage job when I graduated. That is the reality of it; I'm not deluded to that.

However, contrast IDS's attitude here with that of Gove's - who wants people to aspire to do tougher, more traditional subjects at University, and consequently wants to toughen the education system to prepare them for that. And If you have graduates coming out being quite aggressively told - 'look, you're not above shelf stacking in Poundland'; as if they've done something wrong with aspiring to better - you almost think what is the point of being educated in the first place.

I just see that as a terrible attitude.
 (BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post yeah
I see that, but it's just the reality of things at the moment isn't it?

An awful lot of people are entering the labour force with degree's now, and they are really not prepared for the work place. I'm constantly amazed by the number of people who turn up to an interview at the age of 21/22 and it's for their first ever job, barely a paper round to their name.

Gove is, in effect, trying to deal with this at the university end, IDS isn't really focused on that side of things, more on the 'NEET's, it just so happens that a number of graduates are now falling in to this category too.

e2a: I don't think it would be a bad thing if people really thought about higher education a bit more either. What will you get out of it, what will it enable you to do in 3/4 years time that you can't start doing now? Too many people seem to want to go to university because all their peers are.
 (I helped save b3ta! JeremyBeadlesHands, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post I don't really know where I stand on it.
I think there's degrees and there's degrees isn't there. I'm sure people high-up who read CVs realise that too. If you've got into a good Uni Of through getting good grades, then why not. But if you've got in to do Football Science at Former Polytechnic University, then maybe you should have a think if it's worth it.

That said, it would be wrong to say 'you can only attend an education institution if you're smart enough' - because there's no denying those from a more privileged background have a better start in that department. Maybe we should follow the German Fachhochschule education system where more vocational courses are entirely separate but equal to more traditional academic subjects like Chemistry, and consequently you come out with a different degree. I guess the danger is that it would create a two tier education system, but I think at least people would be able to find what they're more suited to.
 (BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post The problem with disinterest in 'lower' work is not confined to students. Its the reason farmers will use immigrant labour, because even uneducated Brits think they are entitled to the best.
I've known many students who worked their ass off in cheap and dirty jobs. And I know these same students would not like being forced into the same work for free in order to receive benefits.
There's a guy I know of who was an international jetsetter, extremely well-paid, but when his company went bankrupt in the recession and he could find no other work he settled for a low-paid cleaning job at M&S. I think he would also be enraged if the benefits agency placed him into similar work, but as a 'volunteer', in return for benefits.
 (Victoria'sBeard Different political view? I hate you!, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post Shelf stacking is above geology?
That's not a Gneiss attitude at all
 (I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 15:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post ok..
I was born to working class parents who scrimped and saved to support me through my education when I won a scholarship to the local public school. I went to Uni and appreciated the fact most employers wanted 12 months work on my CV when I graduated before offering me a decent role, so I got a job in a tech support call centre at £10k a year when I left and did my time.

I resent the graduates who think that a piece of paper signifying three years Media Studies gives them a right to a lifestyle they can't afford. I also appreciated the fact that there were about 5 jobs in the UK going for chemistry graduates and that most of the pharma companies tended to cherry-pick the best graduates and expect them to prove themselves via internships before they invested lots of money letting them loose in their labs. This girl basically had to do a bit of work she felt was somehow beneath her and threw a hissy fit. Fine, she doesn't have to work but neither should I and other taxpayers have to fund her consequence free lifestyle because she doesn't like it. Especially when most people are struggling to make ends meet.
 (Chad, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 15:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post "Especially when most people are struggling to make ends meet."
Are they struggling more because...

* They pay too much tax, around 0.65% of which goes on job seekers, almost 100% of which then gets spent on goods.
* The rich pay themselves more than they deserve and hoard it in a bank account.
* The more people who want a job, the easier it is to find someone to do that job cheaply.

How would forcing people into work help this situation?

Also, do you think you would have the same opportunities available to you if you had shit patents and shit schooling?
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 17:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post Forcing people into paid work is fine.
You first have to find those numerous jobs that supposedly exist.
 (Victoria'sBeard Different political view? I hate you!, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post It won't get them into a job, the companies are just using them as free labour,
and it takes away the need for them to actually hire somebody to do the work.

I remember the last recession people had some sympathy for the unemployed, now it's just a competition to see who can hate them the most.
 (I helped save b3ta! Zuowan, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 15:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post in fairness...
Better they get their hands dirty for the benefit money and maybe it is cheap labour, but if it stops another slew of businesses going tits up in an economic downturn, it prevents even more people ending up on the dole. Actually, I have no problem with being asked to do something in return for the money being given.

Is it comparable to a nice job? No. Does it get them used to dragging their ass out of bed before midday and get them used.to a working routine? Yes.

One of the big issues with long term unemployed is that a lot get a job then bail out when it gets hard because they can go back on the benefit merry go round. It also makes them (marginally) more attractive to employers because they know the candidate is at least familiar with the concept of working a full day regularly.

Life is not a free ride and I for one think this scheme is fine. After all, its no worse than things like the 5 year plan Roosevelt used during the depression to keep people in the habit of working and doing some good for the wider economy.
 (Chad, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:26, , Reply)
This is a normal post Working for benefits is employment. Are they therefore employed by the business or the benefits agency?

(Victoria'sBeard Different political view? I hate you!, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post What if someone who was unemployed for a long period because of
mental illness? Would you treat them the same way?
 (BumCoffee Portrait videographer, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 13:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post One of my best friends has been off sick for a long period because of her mental health.
She doesn't live a life of riley on benefit at all. Each week is a struggle for her; she rarely gets out and lives such an unfulfilled life. I'm sure if she could wish away her troubles she would gladly replace the life she has now with that of a 'shelf stacker.'

I really don't like the way this government is demonising the word 'benefit.' Some people really bloody need it.
 (BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 13:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post Trouble is
they value people buy their economic worth...failing to see people contribute to society in many ways and judging them as worthless. Pisses me right off.
 (I helped save b3ta! moogy boobles, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post no
because they'd have very valid reasons for not being in work. the end.
 (I helped save b3ta! JeremyBeadlesHands, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post
What if they watched Jeremy Kyle while they were sick? Would you be very angry and want to cull them?
 (loci, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post yes
but that's a natural response isn't it?
 (I helped save b3ta! JeremyBeadlesHands, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:26, , Reply)
This is a normal post my dad
Was first registered disabled after an accident in 1981. He still worked because he wanted to support his family and had a work ethic. The fact is we have a generation of people who think the country owes them a living.

If all the jobs there are available involve stacking shelves, you stack shelves. That's the point being made. I might wish to be an astronaut, but because there isn't a job doing that doesn't mean I should sit on my ass taking benefits from the state untik one comes available.

When I have signed on in the past, I spent about a month or two looking for work and took the first thing I could to make ends meet. In fact, I recall the rukes back then being that if you refused to take a job the Job Centre found for you (regardless of what it was), you would be ejected from Jobseekers Allowance and not eligible for any benefits for 6 months and that was in 1998, so it's not a Tory thing.
 (Chad, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 15:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post This is fuck all to do with shelf stacking
This is all to do with giving supermarkets and other huge corporate entities access to free labour under the guise of work experience.

If the shops need people to stack shelves they should employ more shelf stackers on the national minimum wage or higher. If someone has the opportunity to gain experience relevant to their degree while looking for work then good luck to them. I don't see them forcing their unpaid political interns into poundland.

As for implying that the disabled are in some way lazy if they are unable to work, go fuck yourself. I have spent my entire life working like a bastard in order to provide for my family. My wife has Cerebral Palsy and MS and can barely function most days let alone fucking work you arrogant twat.
 (I helped save b3ta! slartifartfast When all around are losing their heads, duck., Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post I run
workshops for people who suffer with mental health who are seeking employment/voluntary(long term and short term mental health). I'm contracted by a mental health charity and work with referrals from many different agencies.
The biggest problems I face are people with gaps in their employment, motivation, confidence and emotions around when dealing with judgmental people.
There is a percentage who drop out as they are not ready, the rest complete the course and generally go onto something else, but it depends where they are with their mental health.
The main advice I give to anyone on benefits is make use of the time, and sign up to free courses and qualifications, as there are shed loads out there and they can improve your chance of getting a job.
Its a hard job, fun and rewarding but not invested in enough. I currently have a high percentage of positive outcomes for my clients, higher then normal back to work workshops in my city. Mine is simply not plonk in front of a computer and get on with it, mines a psycho educational approach and it seems to work.
 (I helped save b3ta! The invisible ham Fig rolls are the best, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post The mentally ill should be forced to work as politicians in Parliament
...things may be better.
 (Victoria'sBeard Different political view? I hate you!, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post possibly the best
suggestion i have heard in a long time
 (I helped save b3ta! The invisible ham Fig rolls are the best, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 22:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post What they replied above
Being forced to work thirty hours a week for six months when she was volunteering somewhere where she would get a lot more practical experience than shelving cans of baked beans given her educated background makes her potentially a far more useful member of society in the long run than yet another brain dead super market employee, to be blunt, than some knee-jerk reaction to people on benefits with a pointless scheme to please the readership of the Daily Mail and Daily Express. I got my present job by volunteering first and was offered a job when they had seen my worth.
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 13:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post Your workplace sounds a laugh a minute.
"if you think having a job, any job, is worse than sitting on your arse, flicking the bean to jeremy kyle and becoming progressively less employable" is a false dichotomy.

Most people with strong ambition usually have to go through an unemployed phase to get there.

Achievable ambition should be encouraged and helped. "Get any job" does not do that.

I'm sure people's belief that it is somehow very important that everyone should have a job is merely a post-hoc argument formed to justify spending 70% of their lives doing something for someone else that they don't enjoy. Do any people who love their work get upset with the unemployed in the same way? Be interesting to know if there is any correlation between job satisfaction and dislike of the unemployed.

It is important that people who work are rewarded, but I don't see how everyone working would be in any way a good thing. There are not enough real jobs to go round as it is. What is done is important, not how many people are doing it.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 13:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post so you think it's acceptable
that some people should choose not to work, and others have to pay for them.

Why don't we all choose not to work? What's your selection process?
 (I helped save b3ta! JeremyBeadlesHands, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post False dichotemy again.
Do you really think "choosing not to work in an irrelevant job to your qualifications and trying to get a job on the first rung of the right ladder" is the same as "choosing not to work"?

Do you really think work done fairly relates to money earned?

Do you think people who work are more moral?

We don't all choose not to work because being on the dole is awful and shite and most people would rather have the money to support the nicer lifestyle. Does anyone work thinking "I am working purely to pay my share of tax"?

Conversely, why do you choose to work? What do you add to society through your work?
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post As Jeremy Kyle I..... oh I see what you mean.

(Victoria'sBeard Different political view? I hate you!, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post At the risk of making a slippery slope argument...
Do you think that people who do full time jobs should be allowed to, say, jump the queue for an operation on the NHS over people who do part time jobs. They have paid more for it.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post That's actually a very good point
Do we measure the value of a citizen based on their contributions in tax?
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post it's funny,
when I first left Uni I didn't claim benefits for the first two months because I thought I'd be able to get a job without that much difficulty and having "not paid in" I felt a bit bad about claiming it. At that point I discovered my parents' attitude had changed from "scroungers claiming benefits they haven't paid in for" to "we've paid into the system all our lives so you could claim it!"
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well, my Mum never paid tax. Never received benefits. Just became a drain on society being a mother.
Same with those people who do something nice for you without getting paid for it - total scum.
Now, the sales person who pestered my Grandma and bullied her into things she didn't need, well he was a model citizen, he paid tax aplenty. Just like those saints who run cold call centres.
 (Victoria'sBeard Different political view? I hate you!, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post I have barely any ambition at all,
and I still had to go through an unemployed phase to get there.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post My ambition is to just sit around
reading and messing around on the internet all day.

That's why it winds me up when people say it is easy to achieve that ambition via the dole and then not tell me how to actually do it.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post the fact that the number of unemployed
has gone up from 1.6M to 2.5M since 2008 ought to tell us that 900,000 people are now unemployed because of that bit of global financial trouble you might have heard about, and not just because they are lazy.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post I found it impossible to be lazy on the dole.
I was in a constant state of panic as to how much everything costs.

You need to be able to relax to be lazy.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post yeah it gave me good habits though,
I still balk at the idea of paying for anything I don't really need.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 17:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post the amount of time you have to furiously masturbate is what relaxes you

(Victoria'sBeard Different political view? I hate you!, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post The hatred of the unemployed comes at a time when people have been forced into unemployment due to economic conditions
The rise in the number of unemployed includes those who previously worked. There are simply less jobs than before.
Take it to an absurdity, imagine if there were only 100 jobs in the country. Would the millions of unemployed be therefore morally wrong?
 (Victoria'sBeard Different political view? I hate you!, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yup
Also, this is a article is very pointedly slanted against IDS. The BBC isn't supposed to take sides: it's why the Tories hate them so much and it could bring the whole place down.
 (I helped save b3ta! After you my dear Alfonse No. After you., Sun 17 Feb 2013, 13:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post I tend to agree
Working for free is pretty horrible, but can sometimes lead to a job. As an employer myself, the person who comes for an interview and says they get up on a cold morning and put in a good 8 hours for no reward is already half-way to getting a job with me. Of course, sadly some will be exploited. (I mean by the system, not me.)
 (I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 13:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post Some people could do that 8 hours
work in 2 hours.

It is strange we still judge work in hours done when most work can no longer be valued that way. It must be an after-effect of when most jobs were factory based and hours in did mean product out.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 13:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post I agree with this.

(BumCoffee Portrait videographer, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post This is very true
and was meant more as a turn of phrase about 'work ethic'. In fact, none of my employees has set hours. If I consider what they have done a decent day's work, then they are free to go home. Alternatively they work late for no extra pay. I'm probably a shit boss, but seem to have no trouble recruiting.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post I was actually thinking about something related to this on the way home this afternoon,
back in Adam Smith's day it made sense to think of money as a measure of human labour. These days it's probably closer to the mark to think of money as a measure of energy.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post Not sure it has ever been a measure of human labour.
It is a status symbol, which is why I'm sure places without a welfare system still treat the unemployed badly without the "we pay for them" argument, and also why people who have a go at the unemployed rarely have a go at people who earn too much. It keeps a class system going.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post Why the fuck should Poundland want to keep any of these people on and pay their wages
When they can just get another bunch to replace them for free.

If the companies were paying their wages with some form of government tax relief, I could understand, but the scheme appears to be a great way of funneling super cheap labour into big corporations, for obvious reasons.
 (spunkyD, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 15:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post this,
if poor Joe Blogs isn't entitled to his £60 a week I don't see why Poundland is entitled to 30 hours x £6.19 an hour (minimum wage), which is about three times as much, if you do the maths.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post anyone too stupid to cover up periods of unemployment on a CV
is not someone I'd interview anyway.

'Travelling' is a common euphemism.
 (I helped save b3ta! feckler https://twitter.com/LeonardEctric1, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post I love how some people think that having a management job makes them better than other people.
They probably don't want to take responsibility in your office because the work you give them is an utter waste of everyone's time, and they haven't yet swallowed their shame and started pretending to take it seriously because they need the money for the survival of their offspring.

Volunteer work is unpaid (duh!) and means you can't claim benefits. People need money to survive. You prick.
 (I helped save b3ta! Zuowan, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 15:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post Your first paragraph made me laugh.
Got me thinking that most management jobs rarely require specific qualifications, just a certain type of arrogance, an average intelligence and probably a middle class background.

People who have that type of job are unlikely to understand the drive that is in people who desire to work in a specific field, as they are far more likely to be financially motivated in their own goals.

They may not understand why someone would not take any job, but I bet they could not understand why someone would take a lesser paid but more relevant job, either.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post People who have never been unemployed
also seem to overestimate how easy it is to get "any job". I was unemployed for two years before I got a part time job as a receptionist. The problem is, a degree doesn't even qualify you for "any job". I was turned away at the door by umpty agencies on the grounds of not having any experience. Even the ones that did take me onto their books never found me any work.

I discovered, in the end, that if I left my degree off my CV I actually got far more interviews. Despite not covering the gap with anything.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post You do understand that the point of life is to be happy...

(Captain_lambkin adifferent.me, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yep
they are indeed...I had the pleasure of telling Cameron to his face once. Felt bloody good.

Trouble is even if you apply, people won't give these jobs to the overqualified anyway! They had a brain surgeon on the books of my local Jobcentre for a good while recently.
 (I helped save b3ta! moogy boobles, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 13:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post I applied for a job I had 7 years experience of the other day
they didn't even reply :(
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post I applied for one like that
I had the qualifications and the experience. They didn't reply, so I rang them. No word of a lie, the guy said to me "To be honest I saw your CV. You'd be bored shitless here and leave after a month."
I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post to be honest I have turned people down for the same reason.
People want people who are either qualified for the job or nearly qualified (as they're cheaper and more malleable). 'Over qualified' is not a contradiction. Why hire someone who doesn't really want the job but is just desperate? they WILL leave as soon as something better comes along. And if they don't, they are a threat to the person who hired them.

Cold logic, but logic tends to be.

edit: tailor your CV to the role, don't assume they'll be dazzled by your achievements when they might actually be intimidated. And if you really want the job, LIE for fuck's sake. A CV is just a thing that gets you an interview. An interview is just a thing that gets you a job. Being good at it is what keeps you the job/progresses you, so if you know can do it then take the necessary steps to make sure steps 1 & 2 work to your advantage.
 (I helped save b3ta! feckler https://twitter.com/LeonardEctric1, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 15:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post How do you know if they "don't want the job but are desperate"?
You're deliberately not hiring talented and capable people with experience in the field who are eager to work.
I'm sure it's not the case but it sounds more like you're scared they'd take your job.
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 15:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post well I am a freelance now so there's no job to take.
But when I was in-house would I purposely not hire someone who was potentially better than me at my role and might want it? Fucking too right.
 (I helped save b3ta! feckler https://twitter.com/LeonardEctric1, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 15:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post I get your point
but that same logic now suggests I will keep my current job for life because I'm not very good at it. Which isn't a cheerful thought!
 (I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 15:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post not at all, it's a 1000% times easier to find a new job if you are already in one.
I'm really talking about people who are out of work and apply for jobs they are too good for.
 (I helped save b3ta! feckler https://twitter.com/LeonardEctric1, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 15:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post I must be in a minority and very lucky
because I would have to say everyone of my employees is a bit better than the role I have given them. But that does mean when there is a crisis, and there often is, I have one hell of a team at my disposal who up their game. Some might have ambitions on my position, but so what, keeps me on my toes and stops me sitting around posting on B3ta all da.....oops
 (I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 15:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post We all rise to the level of our incompetence.

(I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 18:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post Follow it up with a call or another letter.
Even if they tell you to piss off you might get some feedback out of it.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mu Dinofiddler, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post never a letter, always a phone call.
No-one replies to letters, and even if they did you will get a polite, considered response when you want an on-the-spot honest instant one.
 (I helped save b3ta! feckler https://twitter.com/LeonardEctric1, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 18:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post When I was a student you wanted a shelf stacking job
There were waiting lists at all the local supermarkets for one.
Well paid shift work and a staff discount.
Whats not to like?

So what if it's not your dream job.
You work towards that and in the meantime you have to eat.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 15:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post You HAD to bring reality into it didn't you?
People like you....
 (I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 15:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post Pfft.

(pissflaps. FSPW, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post I worked on building sites when I finished university
Which was fine, but after a year or so I decided I wanted to study music. After 6 months of signing on and studying a course not recognised as education, I was required by law to work for 4 days a week in a warehouse for free, which was run by 2 really bad guys. They would visit prostitutes during the day while I used the yellow pages to try and sell their knock-off goods. They sexually abused a 16 year old girl I worked with and the job centre accused me of lying "to get out of working" when I went in all guns blazing. Then I was sacked (if you can be sacked from a job you don't get paid for. I was lucky to come out of the whole thing and find a decent path, but they almost ruined me financially, and as a person.
 (I helped save b3ta! mookay immune to icons since, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post Also, the job centre always made it clear they believed I was trying to get out of working
The good news is, despite them actively trying to negate my ambition, I have spent the last 7 years achieving what what I wanted, and paying lots of tax. Blam.
 (I helped save b3ta! mookay immune to icons since, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post I worked shifts making cardboard boxes
whilst I studied web design at home. I did it because I had to feed my family. The point is I got paid fairly. Yes it was minimum wage and shit hours, but it kept me alive. I had to garnish the truth in my interview so they didn't know I was studying and dumbed down my CV to suit. I don't think they would have employed me knowing that I would eventually be leaving them for a better job.

She should have been paid a fair wage, maybe even just given a job (which she could do in the meantime like I did). Why wasn't this job an offer of employment rather than just a voluntary position? Does anyone know how much she would have been "earning" in relation to hours done vs JSA?
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger (1 like), Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post IDS and the conservatives are Fuckwits!!
How to prove you're an idiot IDS and the cons - not admitting when you're wrong. I wish IDS would go back to stacking shelves......
 (Salvage leave it and carry on..., Sun 17 Feb 2013, 17:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post I've always been a centre-left liberal.
But, during this double-dip recession I've found my mood constantly shifting from Thatcherite Conservatism to Militant Marxism.
I think during times of crisis you always have to be wary of what you initially think is right.
 (Victoria'sBeard Different political view? I hate you!, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post
When I had my stint on the dole, I thought at the time that it would be a good idea to do community service (graffiti cleaning or some such) for an amount of time that would have added up to my benefit as if I was on minimum wage. I fail to see why big corporations should get free labour.
 (I helped save b3ta! ThunderThrust, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 18:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post 'So, Mr Einstein, you think yourself above shelf-stacking'

(Victoria'sBeard Different political view? I hate you!, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post
"We must do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian-Darwinian theory, he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living."

Richard Buckminster Fuller 1970
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post What a great quote.

(I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 21:23, , Reply)
This is a link post Powerdog / shittest and most dangerous alarm ever
He's either burrowed at lightening speed through the earth or some bastards decided to play bad...
(I helped save b3ta! miltonlives on, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 12:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post SUPERDOG WILL DESTROY US ALL

(I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger (1 like), Sun 17 Feb 2013, 12:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm OK with that

(I helped save b3ta! --- ---, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 12:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post Holy Shit!
I want one of those dogs.
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This is a link post Mom strips at school assembly
In all fairness, you remember how hot those things got.
 (sandcracker is eh, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 11:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post I remember the best thing about this when reading it on reddit was the young ladies photograph.

(I helped save b3ta! The Mock Turtle ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 11:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post I shouda googled, I shoulda googled, I shoulda googled

(sandcracker is eh, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 12:26, , Reply)
This is a normal post best gif evar
stolen
 (I helped save b3ta! miltonlives on, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 12:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post No, this is the best stolen gif ever and also oddly appropriate.
Photobucket
 (sandcracker is eh, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 12:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post hahaha
brilliant
 (I helped save b3ta! Firkinfedup last shat on your wife's tits at, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 12:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post Gutted for her son

(I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 13:07, , Reply)

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