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This is a link post The solution to stopping any further school shooting sprees.
Not fewer guns, but more guns. In schools! Yay!

Kinda illustrative of the sort of mindset that's got to be overturned in order for any sort of effective gun control system to be introduced.
 (I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post Cousins shouldn't procreate.

(I helped save b3ta! Floppy Donkey crawled out of the ditch., Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post any sort of effective gun control system...
is doomed before its introduction; the genie is already out of the bottle. if any gun laws required the surrender of now outlawed arms, only the law abiding would comply. the criminal fraternity would not, so many would argue they need to retain their arms to protect themselves against criminals. it's too late unfortunately, although why automatic and semi-automatic weapons were ever legal is beyond my ken. it is also too late for us (UK) to start driving on the right, which is a shit comparison, but it's all i've got.
 (itilliterate, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post They can keep selling guns
Just ban bullets. They'll gradually run out.
 (spunkyD, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post How many criminals have they got?

Make possession of a fire arm a life sentence. Make having bullets in your possession the same.

Trust me, it wouldn't take too long to weed out the scum. You are talking about people who are basicaly cowards to start with. When a few of these sad fat fucks are sitting in San Quentin hoping they don't get raped, it'll drop right off.
 (I helped save b3ta! Larry Death Anger Pain Fear Aggression, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post if only it were that simple

(itilliterate, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post It is that simple.

Who's said it isn't?

All those 'patriots'?
 (I helped save b3ta! Larry Death Anger Pain Fear Aggression, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post oh sorry, my mistake...
remind me, how did that war on drugs work out?
 (itilliterate, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post nothing like this?


You can't 'take' guns.

How did banning automatic weapons and hand guns work out in the UK?

Oh yeah....really fucking well.
 (I helped save b3ta! Larry Death Anger Pain Fear Aggression, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post oh yeah...
i remember well when the UK decided to ban outright handguns post Dunblane, even though their ownership was already extremely strictly regulated. i felt then, as i do now, that a total blanket ban was a knee-jerk over-reaction made by fools who believe that they can legislate against the dark side of human nature. it didn't work out particularly well as guess what, some people don't give a shit if is a handgun is illegal or not, and many handguns continue to be used to wound and kill, so it didn't solve the problem.

as for the banning of automatic weapons, i don't remember that, because it never fucking happened, because they were never legal in the first place.
 (itilliterate, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:43, , Reply)
This is a normal post You wouldn't remember automatic weapons being banned
it was in 1937.

Semi-automatics went after Hungerford.

Handguns after Dunblane. As you say 'strictly regulated' but not so strictly that Thomas Hamilton couldn't own several...

How many people were shot and killed by handguns in 2011 in the UK?
 (I helped save b3ta! Larry Death Anger Pain Fear Aggression, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post
what, am i your google bitch now? don't know, don't care, going to the pub, yes banning all guns will solve everthing in a very short period of time, it is also a realistic and achievable political aim that will easily be legislated for. oh and aren't americans cunts? happy now?
 (itilliterate, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post Have fun!

(I helped save b3ta! Larry Death Anger Pain Fear Aggression, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post 2010/11 figures reveal offences commited with handguns was at 3,105
down from its peak (since 1969) of 5,874 in 2002, yet still not below the pre 1996 average. the number of offences committed with shotguns, which happen to be legal btw, was 608.
 (I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post hand gun crime went up

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post crime gun hand went up

(I helped save b3ta! A Rory Borealis here under duress, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post gun up went hand crime

(I helped save b3ta! LP, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post up went gun crime hand?

(I helped save b3ta! omnitruncatedkraken from Empire Algol, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 19:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post Define "Hand gun crime".
If the statistics include the new offence of "posession", then of course they'll go up.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post the statistics do not include posession, they are crimes in which handguns were used, robbery etc

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post Handguns are smaller
hence, easier to conceal, ship, sell illegally etc etc
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger (1 like), Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post yes
and?
 (I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post
yes
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:43, , Reply)
This is a normal post
That would be an ecumenical matter
 (I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post Guns became illegal.
If you want to keep / sell an illegal item, you'll want to keep it hidden. Small things hide easy. It's in their nature.
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger (1 like), Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post that doesn't explain why the use of handguns in violent crime went up though does it?

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post But did the use of larger, automatic weapons and shotguns go down?
I don't have any stats, but they more than likely did, and were replaced by easier to conceal handguns. There are prob a lot of other factors at play here, if the fact that what you state is even true at all.
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger (1 like), Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post what larger automatic weapons?
there a lot of factors at play, which is why effective policing and education work a lot better than blanket bans.
www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/sn01940.pdf
 (I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 19:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm sorry I don't agree.
If guns are made illegal, ie hard to get hold of them, you will reduce these problems. Gun crime will still happen, it's inevitable, but making them less available helps to control them against pointless misuses (a 6 year old child finding his parents guns and shooting his brother dead for example)
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger (1 like), Sun 16 Dec 2012, 11:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post yeah because anyone who owns a firearm deserves a life sentence

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post They do when they're illegal.
They've become part of the problem.
 (I helped save b3ta! Larry Death Anger Pain Fear Aggression, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post which ones would you make illegal

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post the ones you can use to kill people
or make people think they can be killed with, like a replica in a robbery etc.

Law enforcement allowed to keep theirs until such time that gun crime has dropped to a level where they don't need them.
 (I helped save b3ta! Larry Death Anger Pain Fear Aggression, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post then what would you ban?

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:43, , Reply)
This is a normal post liquorice whips
liquorice fucking whips
 (I helped save b3ta! A Rory Borealis here under duress, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post why pick on them?

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post they are just the first target
in my confectionery campaign of violence
 (I helped save b3ta! A Rory Borealis here under duress, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post surely boiled sweets kill more?

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post you can do a lot of damage
with a sherbert lemon
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm suprised no government has banned that 'death by chocolate' stuff
guns don't kill people, schwarzwälder kirschtorte kills people
 (I helped save b3ta! A Rory Borealis here under duress, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post guns don't kill people
rappers do. I seen it on a documentary on bbc2
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post do you really call it schwarzwälder kirschtorte?

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post no but it's one of the first things I ever learnt in German
and I think, up until this point, I have had absolutely no use for it
 (I helped save b3ta! A Rory Borealis here under duress, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 19:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post Nowt

I think that'd do.
 (I helped save b3ta! Larry Death Anger Pain Fear Aggression, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post knives?

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post Should all illegal things
carry a life sentence?

Might make prisons a bit expensive to run.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post No.

But getting guns out of reach is a big mission that requires hard action.
 (I helped save b3ta! Larry Death Anger Pain Fear Aggression, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post About 7 times the European average.
If you think that's bad I suggest you don't look up a breakdown by ethnicity.
 (I helped save b3ta! jonbob loves you, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post i thought the guns used in this shooting were held legally.
A gun ban might not remove all guns from criminals immediately - although the number in circulation would inevitably drop over time - but it would make it a lot harder for mentally ill people to get their hands on them.
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post
i'm glad we have very tight gun laws in the UK, but people still get shot here quite often, plus three massacres in my lifetime. i just think that it's a change that will never come in the US for historical, cultural, political and practical reasons. any significant change is destined to fail in a similar way to prohibition, which is a shit comparison etc etc
 (itilliterate, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think an interview with a local firearms officer on application of a firearms license
and subsequent evaluations over a certain time period, much like we have in the UK, would be a better proposition than a blanket ban.
 (I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post it's a large industry, a ban will never be allowed

(macroscian (1 like), Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post I might buy one of their T-Shirts.
They come in the usual sizes...XXXL, XXXXL and 'Medium'.
 (I helped save b3ta! Larry Death Anger Pain Fear Aggression, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post Jabba, Jabber and Jabster.

(I helped save b3ta! Floppy Donkey crawled out of the ditch., Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post oath keepers, lol
how american
 (I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post Coxxy was on here last night implying that the problem was that the school staff weren't armed.
'Cos, obviously, a shootout at a school us a great idea.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post i like Coxxy. i think he's great.
but when it comes to guns, he's either trolling, or deeply deluded.
 (augsav forgot about B3ta, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ooh. Fuck me.
"Deluded"? That's putting it mildly.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post wow...
think i prefer our unarmed population + largely unarmed police force as an alternative
 (I helped save b3ta! Mousing, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post I put that fucktard on ignore and suddenly B3TA is B3TA again not 4chan

(Captain_lambkin adifferent.me, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post Good god.
I took him off ignore so that I could see what you were talking about.

He's back on now.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 21:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post surely a wind up?

(I helped save b3ta! Mousing, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post Nope. He likes his guns.
also, what Augsav said ^^
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post after last night
I have a new image in my head whenever anyone refers to him as a "raging gun nut"

So I'd like to take the opportunity to request that people don't do that
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think Herbs I'd gonna kill you if she reads this.
Also Cheers! I'd managed to erase that scintillating memory.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post well
you're the one who implicated herbs in my intentionally vague reference to a conversation which *clearly never happened*

Talking of erasing scintillating memories, I'd almost forgotten about the shilling until I saw my hand this morning

also "I'd gonna kill you" ;)
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post Miranda's just sent an angry message on fuckbook:
apparently, we left a long message on his answerphone at stupid o'clock this morning. Oops.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 20:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post we did?
or you did?
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 20:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post well...
bodycount might have been lower.
 (itilliterate, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post almost as low as if no one was allowed guns in the first place

(I helped save b3ta! Mousing, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post we are a long long way past the first place

(itilliterate, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post the problem is that mad people have easy access to guns,
not that people dont have the means to defend themselves from mad people with guns.
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post Arm all of the teachers.
What happens when a teach goes postal?

Or a kid gets hold of one of the guns?

Or theres a big shootout with lots of kids standing round to catch the bullets?
 (I helped save b3ta! retrofly How about a link to a picture of something funny.., Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post aren't there countries out there which also have lots of guns
but dont generally use them for mass murder? There's no doubt people do this kind of shit because its easy, but I'd be interested to know why they want to do it at all.
 (I helped save b3ta! mutated monty, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post switzerland possibly?
but they're mostly government issued and come with a lot of training attached
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think they'er just not particularly shooty, which is perfect.
Canada's also pretty gun-crazy, but with a bit less of the actual "crazy".
 (I helped save b3ta! Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post remember all that fuss when janet jackson got her tit out on national tv
they get more upset about a tit than they do about blood and guts being on tv
 (I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post The Swiss
Once you turn 20 you're conscripted and are given a gun to keep at home.
Most of the population is conscripted into a peoples militia when they become adults.

Up until recently you were also give a sealed box of bullets in case the country was invaded whilst you were away from base.

After 10 years (or 14 for officers) you are deemed to have done your duty but are given the chance to keep the gun downgraded from automatic to semi.

They have a bit of gun crime but not at this level.
Could be the discipline and training from conscription stops people going on sprees or weeds out those that are nutters.

A gun is not an inherently evil machine just as a knife or a car.
The problem is the power that can give someone who has the notion to do evil.

I think there's other countries with U.S level of gun ownership too like Canada but I don't know enough about them.

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Maybe it's because i'm getting older but I like the swiss model.
They don't pick fights with anyone and people leave them alone because they're all armed to the teeth.
They also have placed explosives on strategic bridges, roads and tunnels in case of invasion.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post yes but they also tend to have better mental health care provision than the US.

(benito vaselini no not that one, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 19:58, , Reply)